2024 Candidates qualification revised process

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Re: 2024 Candidates qualification revised process

Post by LawrenceCooper » Fri Dec 22, 2023 10:29 am

Mick Norris wrote:
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Mick Norris wrote:
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Yes, there's an error there

I reckon Giri needs either top 4 in the Rapid or top 2 in the Blitz at a very rough calculation
Chess by the numbers has Erigaisi needing to win the Rapid; Giri needs to win the Blitz or come in the top 3 in the Rapid; on rating, you wouldn't favour either

It would seem weird if a Candidates place was clinched with a performance at a faster time control
Agreed, even though some of the title matches have been decided that way.

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Re: 2024 Candidates qualification revised process

Post by NickFaulks » Fri Dec 22, 2023 1:53 pm

LawrenceCooper wrote:
Fri Dec 22, 2023 10:29 am
Mick Norris wrote:
Fri Dec 22, 2023 9:19 am
It would seem weird if a Candidates place was clinched with a performance at a faster time control
Agreed, even though some of the title matches have been decided that way.
Yes, that is the true weirdness, which seems to have slipped through without anyone noticing. Traditional chess has evolved into a sort of triathlon.
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Re: 2024 Candidates qualification revised process

Post by MJMcCready » Fri Dec 22, 2023 5:33 pm

It's the way the game is going I'm afraid, one of the reasons why Magnus has dropped out is because he wanted faster time controls with more games. Cricket has gone this way too, test cricket is being slowly squeezed out and is less popular than faster forms of the game, which bring in much more money.

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Re: 2024 Candidates qualification revised process

Post by LawrenceCooper » Fri Dec 22, 2023 5:53 pm

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He plays white v Fedorchuk this afternoon, a win would take his rating above So; presumably he plays him tomorrow as black too, and will need to win that to avoid his rating dropping back below So
Draw agreed, albeit with black having a big advantage.

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Re: 2024 Candidates qualification revised process

Post by LawrenceCooper » Fri Dec 22, 2023 5:56 pm

LawrenceCooper wrote:
Fri Dec 22, 2023 5:53 pm
Mick Norris wrote:
Thu Dec 21, 2023 9:51 am
He plays white v Fedorchuk this afternoon, a win would take his rating above So; presumably he plays him tomorrow as black too, and will need to win that to avoid his rating dropping back below So
Draw agreed, albeit with black having a big advantage.
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Re: 2024 Candidates qualification revised process

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Fri Dec 22, 2023 6:24 pm

MJMcCready wrote:
Fri Dec 22, 2023 5:33 pm
It's the way the game is going I'm afraid, one of the reasons why Magnus has dropped out is because he wanted faster time controls with more games. Cricket has gone this way too, test cricket is being slowly squeezed out and is less popular than faster forms of the game, which bring in much more money.
And that is bad too.
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Re: 2024 Candidates qualification revised process

Post by MJMcCready » Fri Dec 22, 2023 6:29 pm

With regards to cricket, yes.

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Re: 2024 Candidates qualification revised process

Post by IM Jack Rudd » Fri Dec 22, 2023 6:44 pm

I may be wrong here, but a brief look at the cricinfo stats suggests that the 2010s featured more test cricket than any previous decade.

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Re: 2024 Candidates qualification revised process

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Fri Dec 22, 2023 7:04 pm

MJMcCready wrote:
Fri Dec 22, 2023 6:29 pm
With regards to cricket, yes.
I disagree with the likes of Carlsen regarding chess, too.
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Re: 2024 Candidates qualification revised process

Post by MJMcCready » Fri Dec 22, 2023 7:41 pm

Matt Mackenzie wrote:
Fri Dec 22, 2023 7:04 pm
MJMcCready wrote:
Fri Dec 22, 2023 6:29 pm
With regards to cricket, yes.
I disagree with the likes of Carlsen regarding chess, too.
It's frequently said by many that he's losing his interest in classical chess and prefers faster formats, they are also claiming that COVID and the rise on online tournaments is largely responsible for this. Caruana talks about this at length in his C-Squared podcasts. It is more entertaining, so I get it.It makes chess more marketable or something.

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Re: 2024 Candidates qualification revised process

Post by Kevin Thurlow » Fri Dec 22, 2023 10:10 pm

It's probably also the modern obsession wth instant gratification - remember having to see TV serials at one episode a week? Now you stream it or watch it when you feel like it. A young person was horrified that I had about 900 chess books, "Nobody has books any more". And he's one of those who is fiddling with his phone, not paying attention when he's just asked you a question... The inability to concentrate is appalling.

Blitz chess is ok for fun, but you need at least a four-hour session for proper chess.

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Re: 2024 Candidates qualification revised process

Post by LawrenceCooper » Tue Dec 26, 2023 1:16 pm

Alireza's latest and presumably last try: http://www.echecs.asso.fr/Resultats.asp ... 2NhaSM8Oa4

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Re: 2024 Candidates qualification revised process

Post by LawrenceCooper » Tue Dec 26, 2023 9:13 pm

LawrenceCooper wrote:
Tue Dec 26, 2023 1:16 pm
Alireza's latest and presumably last try: http://www.echecs.asso.fr/Resultats.asp ... 2NhaSM8Oa4
2/2 so far: http://www.echecs.asso.fr/FicheTournoi. ... hGf3HoInJo

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Re: 2024 Candidates qualification revised process

Post by Mick Norris » Tue Dec 26, 2023 9:49 pm

Is the tournament going to be rated in time to make a difference?

I saw on the FIDE rating website it was in the January tournament list
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Re: 2024 Candidates qualification revised process

Post by Leonard Barden » Tue Dec 26, 2023 10:12 pm

It's listed for rating on January 1, as far as I could see, but the Chartres event has been deleted, suggesting that Firo may need 7/7 at Rouen and to meet and defeat all three 2400+ players.