An interview with Shohreh Bayat
Posted: Thu May 18, 2023 11:05 pm
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Arbiters at official FIDE events know perfectly well that they are not permitted to wear clothing with political slogans.Chris Rice wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 8:56 amIf FIDE want a dress code which takes into account political slogans etc then they should, as Shohreh says, come up with one.
Would you find it similarly difficult to stomach a lack of employment progression, from wearing similar attire to the office? I doubt most employment contracts specifically cover every form of attire, but in many settings if you don’t dress appropriately -especially when being paid- you should expect your card to be well and truly marked.Chris Rice wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 8:56 amWhat I find difficult to stomach is the cowardly and underhand cancelling of her arbiting opportunities simply because she won't go along with some unofficial policy which is not transparent. We should be supporting her. Perhaps, if nothing changes, at the British as many players, arbiters, organisers, spectators as possible, in a show of solidarity, should wear these t-shirts?
Is what is on the t-shirt even political? There are three individual words women, life and freedom. Well she is a woman, she is alive and freedom on its own without any context isn't really saying anything, is it?NickFaulks wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 12:03 pmArbiters at official FIDE events know perfectly well that they are not permitted to wear clothing with political slogans.Chris Rice wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 8:56 amIf FIDE want a dress code which takes into account political slogans etc then they should, as Shohreh says, come up with one.
There is usually plenty of stuff in each firm's staff handbooks about how employees should dress so you know where you stand. Typical male point of view though which is why women struggle to rise within organisations.Paul Heaton wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 1:18 pmWould you find it similarly difficult to stomach a lack of employment progression, from wearing similar attire to the office? I doubt most employment contracts specifically cover every form of attire, but in many settings if you don’t dress appropriately -especially when being paid- you should expect your card to be well and truly marked.Chris Rice wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 8:56 amWhat I find difficult to stomach is the cowardly and underhand cancelling of her arbiting opportunities simply because she won't go along with some unofficial policy which is not transparent. We should be supporting her. Perhaps, if nothing changes, at the British as many players, arbiters, organisers, spectators as possible, in a show of solidarity, should wear these t-shirts?
I suggest you ask any other regular arbiter at FIDE events whether they know that.Chris Rice wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 1:39 pmYou say all the arbiters know perfectly well that they are not permitted to wear clothing with political slogans on it. Where are you getting that from?
So you make a statement which I disagree with yet I've got to be the one to find the supporting evidence for it?NickFaulks wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 2:06 pmI suggest you ask any other regular arbiter at FIDE events whether they know that.Chris Rice wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 1:39 pmYou say all the arbiters know perfectly well that they are not permitted to wear clothing with political slogans on it. Where are you getting that from?
Of course it is.Chris Rice wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 1:39 pmIs what is on the t-shirt even political? There are three individual words women, life and freedom. Well she is a woman, she is alive and freedom on its own without any context isn't really saying anything, is it?
She comes across in the interview as someone who, at the very least, doesn't care if she causes difficulties for other people/organisations, or, at worst, sets out to do so because she thinks she can. Why would anyone want to employ someone like that when they could employ someone else who is not like that?Chris Rice wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 8:56 amWhat I find difficult to stomach is the cowardly and underhand cancelling of her arbiting opportunities simply because she won't go along with some unofficial policy which is not transparent.
If FIDE were to stop employing people that created difficulties for other people/organisations because they think they can they might find themselves with a lot of vacancies to fill, particularly at the top of their organisation.Ian Thompson wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 2:15 pmOf course it is.Chris Rice wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 1:39 pmIs what is on the t-shirt even political? There are three individual words women, life and freedom. Well she is a woman, she is alive and freedom on its own without any context isn't really saying anything, is it?
She comes across in the interview as someone who, at the very least, doesn't care if she causes difficulties for other people/organisations, or, at worst, sets out to do so because she thinks she can. Why would anyone want to employ someone like that when they could employ someone else who is not like that?Chris Rice wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 8:56 amWhat I find difficult to stomach is the cowardly and underhand cancelling of her arbiting opportunities simply because she won't go along with some unofficial policy which is not transparent.
Maybe some people can get away with it. Arbiters, though, do not appear to be in short supply.LawrenceCooper wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 2:23 pmIf FIDE were to stop employing people that created difficulties for other people/organisations because they think they can they might find themselves with a lot of vacancies to fill, particularly at the top of their organisation.
It isn't really clear to me what you are accusing her of, apart from hard-nosed and unyielding feminism.Ian Thompson wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 2:15 pmWhy would anyone want to employ someone like that when they could employ someone else who is not like that?
Yeah, I'm not sure about this. Look at the number of national football sides who have basically created kits to highlight human rights shortcomings in Qatar. Germany were even photographed with the words 'Human Rights' painted on their chests, and made numerous in-game protests. Outside of Qatar pretty much all the press coverage saw it as right and heroic, even including England's mild attempt to join the protesting. So why take the side of Russia-centric FIDE, and join in the bullying of this woman?Ian Thompson wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 2:15 pmOf course it is.Chris Rice wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 1:39 pmIs what is on the t-shirt even political? There are three individual words women, life and freedom. Well she is a woman, she is alive and freedom on its own without any context isn't really saying anything, is it?
She comes across in the interview as someone who, at the very least, doesn't care if she causes difficulties for other people/organisations, or, at worst, sets out to do so because she thinks she can. Why would anyone want to employ someone like that when they could employ someone else who is not like that?Chris Rice wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 8:56 amWhat I find difficult to stomach is the cowardly and underhand cancelling of her arbiting opportunities simply because she won't go along with some unofficial policy which is not transparent.