Tata Steel (Wijk aan Zee) 2012

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Re: Tata Steel (Wijk aan Zee) 2012

Post by Ian Kingston » Fri Jan 27, 2012 5:49 pm

And after lauding Aronian a couple of days ago it looks like he's going down to tail-ender Navara. The last two rounds will be interesting.

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Re: Tata Steel (Wijk aan Zee) 2012

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Fri Jan 27, 2012 5:55 pm

Ian Kingston wrote:And after lauding Aronian a couple of days ago it looks like he's going down to tail-ender Navara. The last two rounds will be interesting.
Yeah. 6/7 decisive results in the B-group as well (five wins with White). The C-group is sedate by comparison.

Back in the A-group, Aronian-Radjabov in the final round could be the key game. Radjabov is currently joint second with Carlsen, a half point behind Aronian.

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Re: Tata Steel (Wijk aan Zee) 2012

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Sat Jan 28, 2012 9:50 pm

Aronian won today, so he only needs a draw tomorrow to take outright first. I think Carlsen's number one spot is safe, though it could be close if Carlsen loses tomorrow and Aronian goes for a win. Wonder if Radjabov will be happy with a draw or want more? You have to feel sorry for Anish Giri - he lost today making it five losses in a row! Oh, and Sadler lost as well. :(

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Re: Tata Steel (Wijk aan Zee) 2012

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Sat Jan 28, 2012 10:06 pm

Sadler has, so far, dropped 27 rating points - which will get worse tomorrow if he doesn't win. Ouch! :oops:
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Post by Richard Bates » Sun Jan 29, 2012 12:19 pm

Matt Mackenzie wrote:Sadler has, so far, dropped 27 rating points - which will get worse tomorrow if he doesn't win. Ouch! :oops:
Oops, looks like another 7pts could be going west... :(

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Re: Tata Steel (Wijk aan Zee) 2012

Post by Carl Hibbard » Sun Jan 29, 2012 12:23 pm

Richard Bates wrote:
Matt Mackenzie wrote:Sadler has, so far, dropped 27 rating points - which will get worse tomorrow if he doesn't win. Ouch! :oops:
Oops, looks like another 7pts could be going west... :(
Looks like real beginner stuff that one?
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Re: Tata Steel (Wijk aan Zee) 2012

Post by Carl Hibbard » Sun Jan 29, 2012 12:29 pm

14. Qxg7 is piece lost 1-0 isn't it?
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Re: Tata Steel (Wijk aan Zee) 2012

Post by Richard Bates » Sun Jan 29, 2012 12:32 pm

Carl Hibbard wrote:
Richard Bates wrote:
Matt Mackenzie wrote:Sadler has, so far, dropped 27 rating points - which will get worse tomorrow if he doesn't win. Ouch! :oops:
Oops, looks like another 7pts could be going west... :(
Looks like real beginner stuff that one?
I must admit i find these "Houdini" assessments more than irritating, when sometimes they seem somewhat incomprehnsible to the lay observer. I must admit i can't offhand see why 14. Qxg7 O-O-O should be +6 for white. If one could access the computer directly and input moves it would be much more useful.

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Re: Tata Steel (Wijk aan Zee) 2012

Post by John Moore » Sun Jan 29, 2012 12:34 pm

Presumably Grover is analysing 14 Qg7 o-o-o 15 f6 Rdg8

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Re: Tata Steel (Wijk aan Zee) 2012

Post by Carl Hibbard » Sun Jan 29, 2012 12:35 pm

Blimey you just castle what a muppet I am :oops: just shows what a nonsense my new grade is
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Post by Paul Cooksey » Sun Jan 29, 2012 12:49 pm

Richard Bates wrote:I must admit i find these "Houdini" assessments more than irritating, when sometimes they seem somewhat incomprehnsible to the lay observer. I must admit i can't offhand see why 14. Qxg7 O-O-O should be +6 for white. If one could access the computer directly and input moves it would be much more useful.
I don't see it either, and neither does Rybka. I suspect they are having some sort of technology issue.

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Re: Tata Steel (Wijk aan Zee) 2012

Post by AustinElliott » Sun Jan 29, 2012 1:19 pm

A few 'grandmaster draws' appearing in the top section, inc a predictable one to secure 1st place for Aronian.

Am I right that if Carlsen beats Van Wely then he would get 2nd on his own? Here's hoping that will mean that game is actually 'live' right to the end.

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Post by Sebastian Stone » Sun Jan 29, 2012 1:22 pm

AustinElliott wrote:A few 'grandmaster draws' appearing in the top section, inc a predictable one to secure 1st place for Aronian.

Am I right that if Carlsen beats Van Wely then he would get 2nd on his own? Here's hoping that will mean that game is actually 'live' right to the end.
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Re: Tata Steel (Wijk aan Zee) 2012

Post by AustinElliott » Sun Jan 29, 2012 1:46 pm

Any endgame gurus care to offer a view on Van Wely vs Carlsen (move 35?). The traditional patzer view of opposite coloured Bs would say a draw, despite Carlsen's two extra (doubled a-) pawns.. but interested to hear what the cognoscenti think.

MEANWHILE - in Gp C, Grover has finally taken Sadler's g-pawn (at the 4th time of asking). Game hotting up, with Sadler offering to trade both his Rs for Grover's Q & QB.

...which Grover has declined - so now Sadler has the g-file (hopefully) to attack down..
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Re: Tata Steel (Wijk aan Zee) 2012

Post by IM Jack Rudd » Sun Jan 29, 2012 1:48 pm

AustinElliott wrote:Any endgame gurus care to offer a view on Van Wely vs Carlsen (move 35?). The traditional patzer view of opposite coloured Bs would say a draw, despite Carlsen's two extra (doubled a-) pawns.. but interested to hear what the cognoscenti think.
Not much of an endgame guru here, but I'd bet on a black win. The fact that the doubled a-pawns are passed makes it much harder to defend.

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