Chess Player Strip Searched

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Re: Chess Player Strip Searched

Post by Rob Thompson » Sun Sep 29, 2013 6:38 pm

I'm glad that at the very least they are being very supportive of non-traditional gender presentation.
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Re: Chess Player Strip Searched

Post by Geoff Chandler » Mon Sep 30, 2013 1:30 am

Hi Richard.

You get a free pen...every round!

I'm more upset that I won't be allowed to wear my lucky tiara.

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Re: Chess Player Strip Searched

Post by Paolo Casaschi » Mon Sep 30, 2013 11:30 am

Chris Rice wrote:Borislav Ivanov appears to have been given the green light to play in the Grand Open Blagoevgrad 2013 which starts on Saturday (28/9). http://chess-results.com/tnr108160.aspx
From the link above, here is the third round game, against the top rated GM of the tournament (more than 300 Elo higher than Ivanov).

Quite a remarkable aggressive style (and a decent result) for an FM that, given the controls in this tournament, might not enjoy the "usual" external help.


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Re: Chess Player Strip Searched

Post by Kevin Thurlow » Mon Sep 30, 2013 12:24 pm

"3. Two pieces of radio, gsm,wireless signal muting devices ( jammers or radio silencers ) will be installed in different areas on the playing hall.

4. The area where the parties are held will be surrounded with restriction strap and only the players will be allowed access to the playing tables.

5. Prior to entering the playing ground zone every player will leave all his possessions to the guards provided in individual plastic bag, like cell phones, electronic gadgets, watches, pens, sunglasses, tiaras, keys and so on, anything that is not needed during the game.

6. Writing devices will be supplied to everyone by the organizers."

I wonder if (3) is true, and if it is, would it help? (4) seems to imply that the players will be tied up and the arbiters are not allowed to watch the games. (5) is just wonderful throughout - see the guards rip pacemakers and insulin pumps from the players' bodies, next step, installation of glass-walled toilets! Even in the Surrey League, I don't recollect anyone wearing a tiara (although some give the impression they want to). In (6), anyone using Babylonian algebraic will be presented with a clay tablet and a small chisel.

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Re: Chess Player Strip Searched

Post by Roger de Coverly » Mon Sep 30, 2013 12:52 pm

I had assumed a Google style auto-translate from the original Bulgarian.

So when they say "the parties", they mean the games and "be surrounded with restriction tape" means roped off. Arbiters have access to all areas as a matter of course, so it's not mentioned.
sunglasses, tiaras, keys
That does rather puzzle me. Perhaps the correct translation is jewellery.

I rather suspect it's over the top for a run of the mill open tournament and just insulting for a top GM event, but the idea of putting everything in an airport style transparent bag may have some merit.

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Re: Chess Player Strip Searched

Post by Brendan O'Gorman » Mon Sep 30, 2013 12:55 pm

Kevin Thurlow wrote:-- text omitted --
anyone using Babylonian algebraic will be presented with a clay tablet and a small chisel.
Surely a reed stylus would suffice :)

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Re: Chess Player Strip Searched

Post by Geoff Chandler » Mon Sep 30, 2013 1:55 pm

New Informator sysmbols 2013

S+: Game halted whilst the player of the White pieces was searched.
Something was found and Black declared the winner.

S-: Game halted whilst the player of the White pieces was searched.
Nothing was found and White recived an apology.

Ploy No. 118.
If in serious time trouble request your opponent is searched.
This will take 5-10 minutes.
Use to the time to plan your next 4-5 moves to reach time control.

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Re: Chess Player Strip Searched

Post by MartinCarpenter » Mon Sep 30, 2013 3:02 pm

Would you trust the sorts of non trivial valuables liable to be involved to the sort of very random security staff likely to be able to be employed by this sort of tournament? Simple mix ups probably more likely than outright corruption but they could be just as damaging.

A priori it seems to be utterly insane.

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Re: Chess Player Strip Searched

Post by Paolo Casaschi » Mon Sep 30, 2013 3:29 pm

MartinCarpenter wrote:Would you trust the sorts of non trivial valuables liable to be involved to the sort of very random security staff likely to be able to be employed by this sort of tournament? Simple mix ups probably more likely than outright corruption but they could be just as damaging.

A priori it seems to be utterly insane.
When you go to a swimming pool, would you bring those valuable items with you and leave them in the changing room?
Or would you insist in keeping them with you while swimming?
Or do you just leave your tiara at home?

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Re: Chess Player Strip Searched

Post by Mick Norris » Mon Sep 30, 2013 3:40 pm

Paolo Casaschi wrote:
MartinCarpenter wrote:Would you trust the sorts of non trivial valuables liable to be involved to the sort of very random security staff likely to be able to be employed by this sort of tournament? Simple mix ups probably more likely than outright corruption but they could be just as damaging.

A priori it seems to be utterly insane.
When you go to a swimming pool, would you bring those valuable items with you and leave them in the changing room?
Or would you insist in keeping them with you while swimming?
Or do you just leave your tiara at home?
Chess events typically don't take place in venues that have lockers like swimming pools
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Re: Chess Player Strip Searched

Post by MartinCarpenter » Mon Sep 30, 2013 4:27 pm

Probably less density of people for the spaced involved too.

Seriously, it'd be OK in an event where people were staying over in a hotel so could leave stuff in their rooms. Otherwise you need proper lockers and a very organised system of using them. That's certainly not free.

The liability if there was any sort of lost property might be a rather 'interesting' topic too. Quite possibly owing to the tournament if you had a basic set up like smart phones in plastic bags looked after by some random volunteer.

Of course, this isn't even a remotely good idea in principle. You're making the tournament very much less pleasant to play in to try and mitigate the potential (rare/unproven) risk of computer based cheating. It a very silly over reaction, if a rather common sort of one.

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Re: Chess Player Strip Searched

Post by Ian Thompson » Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:10 pm

Geoff Chandler wrote:You get a free pen...every round!
... and it's going to be a different pen every round, with you having no idea what it's going to look like until you get it, otherwise I'm either going to manufacture my own look-alike pen with built in cheating device, or put my cheating device in the pen I was given in Round 1, and then use that pen in Round 2. :lol:

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Re: Chess Player Strip Searched

Post by Geoff Chandler » Tue Oct 01, 2013 2:56 am

Hi Ian

I usualy record my moves in a thick red crayon.
(I'm not allowed anything sharp like pens or scissors.)
Do you think they will give me a box crayons before each game else I cannot play.

And what about blind chess players and their guide dogs.

They will have to take the dogs off them (so we now need secure lockers and kennels.)
At the end of the tournament they are bound to get them mixed up and
you will have these dogs leading the wrong people back to the wrong houses.

I don't think they have thought this one out.

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Re: Chess Player Strip Searched

Post by Kevin Thurlow » Tue Oct 01, 2013 8:11 am

"And what about blind chess players and their guide dogs."

Last time I played a blind player, I did wonder if his dog were giving him advice.

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Re: Chess Player Strip Searched

Post by Graham Borrowdale » Tue Oct 01, 2013 12:25 pm

Well, with all of these barking mad measures in place, do any of you stilll think that Mr Ivanov is cheating?