REGULATIONS ON REGISTRATION & LICENSING OF PLAYERS

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Post by Roger de Coverly » Wed May 15, 2013 7:19 pm

Sean Hewitt wrote: If non Gold members play in a FIDE rated event then they have their FIDE rating deactivated until they rejoin.
As AlecMcF noted, this would trash their legitimate Rapid and Blitz ratings.

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Post by PeterFarr » Wed May 15, 2013 7:28 pm

Oh dear, the old thread has 320 posts about the subject. Evidently more complicated than it seemed at first sight. I wonder if it affects many people in practice though - presumably most ENG players keen enough to want a FIDE rating would be prepared to become gold ECF members ... ok now I regret posting in this thread and will shut up.

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Post by Roger de Coverly » Wed May 15, 2013 7:48 pm

PeterFarr wrote: I wonder if it affects many people in practice though - presumably most ENG players keen enough to want a FIDE rating would be prepared to become gold ECF members
One English GM had his rating taken away. He got it back by becoming Scottish. You are allowed to play in the 4NCL for one weekend without being a member, although if you do, the ECF are liable to remove your rating.

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Post by Sean Hewitt » Wed May 15, 2013 8:04 pm

Roger de Coverly wrote:You are allowed to play in the 4NCL for one weekend without being a member.
Correct.
Roger de Coverly wrote:...although if you do, the ECF are liable to remove your rating.
No they are not. :oops:

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Post by Roger de Coverly » Wed May 15, 2013 8:33 pm

Sean Hewitt wrote:No they are not.
They have done so in the past.

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Post by Sean Hewitt » Wed May 15, 2013 8:50 pm

Roger de Coverly wrote:
Sean Hewitt wrote:No they are not.
They have done so in the past.
They used to charge game fee. :lol: But that was then, this is now.

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Post by Roger de Coverly » Fri Aug 23, 2013 9:14 pm

The latest incarnation of the proposed Regulations are here.
http://www.fide.com/images/stories/NEWS ... nex_12.pdf

They are still asking for pieces of information which are "none of your business" when applied to a FIDE, a tournament organiser or national chess federation. These being Place of Birth,
Citizenship and Contact e-mail. Contact e-mail can be cooked naturally.

If the ECF persist in their vindictive policy of removing ratings from those who refuse to pay £ 27 a year, it's going to cost them € 25.


Life will just get more difficult for anyone running an international tournament where there are players new to FIDE rated chess. This is what they are expected to do:-
3.
A Player who registers to compete in any FIDE rated competition shall be
required to provide his FIN. If the player has no FIN, then the Organizer must
follow one of the options below:
3.1
Request the Organizer’s NCF to register the player and provide a FIN under Organizer’s NCF flag. The FIN must be provided before the tournament is submitted for rating. FIDE will inform the player of his
FIN via his contact e-mail.
3.2
If the player without a FIN claims or provides proof of citizenship or residence in a different country other than the Organizer, then the player can only be allowed to play after:
3.2.1
registration with his appropriate NCF, or
3.2.2
acquiring a provisional license under FIDE flag.
In the preamble FIDE state
There has recently been a large increase in the problems caused by the registration of
new players. These problems include duplicate registration, delisting and relisting and wrong federations and these cause a lot of extra work for FIDE.
I cannot say I have much sympathy as an increase in the number of players with a proportionate increase in the number of problems is a logical consequence of extending the FIDE rating system to near-beginner level. They should be grateful that the number of players is expanding, rather than whining about the consequences.

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Post by Stewart Reuben » Sun Aug 25, 2013 12:23 pm

A Rating of 1000 is hardly a beginner. Grade about 50?
There is no doubt that lowering the rating floor helps lead to ratings which more closely represent weaker players' strength.
e.g. Two players rated 1010 play a match. A gains 15 points and becomes 1025. B loses 15 points and is removed from the list. The -15 is wiped out of the list.This creates inflation. But removing that problem to 1000, instead of 2200 as initially, means that this only very slowly affects higher rated players and thus is only a very minor matter.
Most countries do not have their own rating system, they rely on FIDE. Thus extending the list down to 1000 (which took 13 years from my original proposal) helps popularise chess.

There has always been a problem with player identification. Getting the correct FIDE Code initially helps. Whether there has been an increase in the PERCENTAGE of players mis-registered, I don't know. FIDE think the International Rating Officers of each federation should be in closer contact. Christian Krause, the German IRO, applauds the initiative. Germany has the largest number of FIDE Rated players.

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Post by Adam Raoof » Sun Aug 25, 2013 12:34 pm

Just received this from the ecf;

"Dear All,

I write to inform you of a new requirement for FIDE rating events which has been brought in WITH IMMEDIATE EFFECT by FIDE.

Any player who registers to compete in any FIDE rated competition shall be
required to provide his FIDE Identification Number [FIN].

If the player has no FIN, then the Organiser must :

If the player is English, ensure that he has the correct ECF membership for the event and supply the player's full name and date of birth in the rating file. The ECF will then assign the player a FIN when the rating file is submitted.

If the player claims citizenship or residence in a country other than England then the player must be told to contact his national federation to obtain a FIN before playing in the event. The organiser can do this on the players behalf if they wish.

However, the FIDE rating server will not accept any rating file containing foreign players who do not have a FIN. Such files cannot be submitted and therefore such events will not be rated by FIDE.

Please bear this information in mind for all events that you are running.

If you need any further information, please let me know.

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Post by Roger de Coverly » Sun Aug 25, 2013 10:09 pm

Adam Raoof quoting ECF wrote: I write to inform you of a new requirement for FIDE rating events which has been brought in WITH IMMEDIATE EFFECT by FIDE.
Isn't someone jumping the gun a bit on this? It's up for discussion as a proposal at the 84th FIDE scheduled from 30th September to 10th October 2013 in Tallinn, Estonia.

If tournament organisers want a quiet life, they are encouraged to turn away players without FIDE rating codes if they aren't from the home country.

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Post by John Upham » Sun Aug 25, 2013 10:16 pm

The organiser can do this on the players behalf if they wish.
Not much of an incentive to run FIDE rated events...

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Post by Sean Hewitt » Sun Aug 25, 2013 10:40 pm

Roger de Coverly wrote:Isn't someone jumping the gun a bit on this? It's up for discussion as a proposal at the 84th FIDE scheduled from 30th September to 10th October 2013 in Tallinn, Estonia.
Nope. It's the situation now.
FIDE Rating Server wrote:Server does not accept foreigners in reports without FIDE ID
If you submit a report with a foreign player who does not have a FIDE ID, it rejects the rating file.

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Post by David Sedgwick » Sun Aug 25, 2013 11:04 pm

Roger de Coverly wrote:Isn't someone jumping the gun a bit on this?
If anyone's jumped the gun, it's Ignatius Leong. That wouldn't be the first time, of course.

John Upham wrote:"Hello, is that the 24 hour office of the Kazakhstan Chess Federation? I have an inquiry regarding FM Borat Sagdiyev"
Borat Sagdiyev wouldn't be a problem. As an FM, he would have an FIN.

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Post by Roger de Coverly » Sun Aug 25, 2013 11:54 pm

Sean Hewitt wrote:Nope. It's the situation now.
Does FIDE have a mandate to make unilateral rule changes and the ECF just accepts them without question?

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Post by David Sedgwick » Mon Aug 26, 2013 12:56 am

Roger de Coverly wrote:Does FIDE have a mandate to make unilateral rule changes and the ECF just accepts them without question?
I think it's outrageous that the ECF doesn't challenge such decisions by bringing proceedings in the Court of Arbitration for Sport.

Oh, hang on a moment ...

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