Anand v Carlsen

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Re: Anand v Carlsen

Post by JustinHadi » Sat Nov 16, 2013 3:19 am

1. b4!

Or the refined line 1.Nf3 any black move 2.b4!

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Re: Anand v Carlsen

Post by Jonathan Bryant » Sat Nov 16, 2013 9:36 am

Bah. Anand's bottled the Berlin Ending.

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Re: Anand v Carlsen

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Sat Nov 16, 2013 1:35 pm

So I'm not following with an engine or commentary, and they've been in a rook endgame since the first time control, with Carlsen a pawn up and now Anand has used his h-pawn to break up Carlsen's kingside pawns. It might not be how I'd have played it, but presumably there is a point to all these moves? These are the sort of endings I manage to lose against higher-graded players, so I'm not going to say too much more...

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Re: Anand v Carlsen

Post by Jonathan Bryant » Sat Nov 16, 2013 2:00 pm

Christopher Kreuzer wrote:It might not be how I'd have played it ...
h4-h5 is certainly not how I'd have played - but it did seem to ease his position somewhat to my non-expert eye.

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Re: Anand v Carlsen

Post by Paul McKeown » Sat Nov 16, 2013 2:10 pm

Anand appears to have bollixed a dead draw or at least made things very, very difficult for himself.

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Re: Anand v Carlsen

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Sat Nov 16, 2013 2:13 pm

Yes, well, at the second time control I'm still in the dark somewhat. It looks rather, um, unbalanced? To my eye, the Black f-pawn looks stronger than the other pawns and I'd prefer to be Black. Still not sure why the position needed to be played like this by Anand.

(Paul put it much better! :lol: )

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Re: Anand v Carlsen

Post by Paul McKeown » Sat Nov 16, 2013 2:15 pm

h4-h5 was okay I think - wrecking Black's pawn structure and playing for a drawn h+f pawn rook endgame. That was a decent way to play.

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Re: Anand v Carlsen

Post by Paul McKeown » Sat Nov 16, 2013 2:16 pm

Match over. Next.

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Re: Anand v Carlsen

Post by Trefor Owens » Sat Nov 16, 2013 2:53 pm

There are still another 4 games to play!

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well that's my guess anyway :)

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Re: Anand v Carlsen

Post by Jonathan Bryant » Sat Nov 16, 2013 3:05 pm

Paul McKeown wrote:h4-h5 was okay I think - wrecking Black's pawn structure and playing for a drawn h+f pawn rook endgame.

I'm not sure he was doing that exactly as no obvious way to liquidate the queenside pawns, but it did seem to stop Black's pawns rolling forward quite effectively. I wouldn't have described the game as a 'dead' draw at any stage though.

I like a rook ending as much as the next man, but heading for this particular one did seem a strange choice to me.

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Re: Anand v Carlsen

Post by Mark Hannon » Sat Nov 16, 2013 3:11 pm

If Carlsen is a sadist like Fischer was I think he could win all the remaining games. I was always more impressed by Anand winning multiple championship matches than Fischer's 6-0 s once his opponent was broken.

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Re: Anand v Carlsen

Post by Jonathan Bryant » Sat Nov 16, 2013 3:18 pm

Talking about moves that i wouldn't have played in a zillion years -- Carlsen's ... f6.

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Re: Anand v Carlsen

Post by Mats Winther » Sat Nov 16, 2013 3:29 pm

In fact, Carlsen could have won easier by playing 39...Qxd6! 40.Rxd6 Rxe3 41.Rd5 b4! This gives a better rook endgame than the one in the game, which is probably drawn. So, evidently, Anand's 38.Qg3 was bad. It was an almost equal position; black only slightly better, with little hope of making progress.
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Re: Anand v Carlsen

Post by Jonathan Bryant » Sat Nov 16, 2013 4:01 pm

Mats Winther wrote:In fact, Carlsen could have won easier by playing 39...Qxd6! 40.Rxd6 Rxe3 41.Rd5 b4!
/Mats

Can't you just go 42 cxb4 here? I'm not seeing how Black keeps his last queenside pawn and stops the b-pawn from running at the same time.
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Re: Anand v Carlsen

Post by Trefor Owens » Sat Nov 16, 2013 4:03 pm

Not sure if we are allowed to 'help' either player - but a little hint to Anand, I don't belive that Carlsen has ever won a game against the King's Gambit

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