Olympiad
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Re: Olympiad
Point taken - patience is not my strong point, which is why I have to take a zen like pause before starting the longer game. Or so I learnt last summer!
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The background to this appears that the Norwegians discovered in 2010 that to get the Olympiad in 2014, they also had to run the World Cup in 2013. What they should have done, but apparently didn't, was to go back to their main sponsor, the Norwegian government, for more money. Alternatively they could have told FIDE that a World Cup bid was not on the table. Presumably they assumed that either the government or commercial sponsorship would make up the funding gap.David Sedgwick wrote:The Olympiad is in trouble.
That might have been a valid assumption, but there was a change of government late in 2013, with the new Government whilst honouring previous commitments wasn't prepared to underwrite a blank cheque for sporting or cultural spending. Presumably the previous Government was prepared to finance the World Cup, otherwise it may have smelt a rat in being asked for part of the Olympiad funding a year early.
If the Olympiad gets cancelled what happens to the Congress and FIDE elections?
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According to the latest Chess Base article it looks like we are going to get a happy ending. The final papargraph says:
"Addendum: We have spoken to the organisers and [our] Chess Federation contacts in Norway and did not find the mood pessimistic or gloomy. They are working hard on a solution, and the prediction is that the Olympiad will go ahead as planned."
http://en.chessbase.com/post/trouble-in ... nderfunded
"Addendum: We have spoken to the organisers and [our] Chess Federation contacts in Norway and did not find the mood pessimistic or gloomy. They are working hard on a solution, and the prediction is that the Olympiad will go ahead as planned."
http://en.chessbase.com/post/trouble-in ... nderfunded
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From whichChris Rice wrote:According to the latest Chess Base article it looks like we are going to get a happy ending.
A Google translate of one of the newspaper reports had "smaller meals" instead of "less hospitality", reminding you of someone's joke about arbiters and their affinity with pies (and Chinese takeaways etc.)In an interview, Børge Robertsen, Director of the Chess Olympiad, said that if the 15 million Kroner was not allocated, it would mean less hospitality for the participants, and a reduced cultural program and opening ceremony. In December, Robertsen had stated that things were on schedule.
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Well, quite. I understand the need for scaremongering to find the extra funds but the fact remains that the shortfall is not all that large, relatively speaking. Why, I was at a Legal v Banks match the other day, in the Bronowski Cup, and I should think that if one had asked for a whipround to save the event, the other participants could have plugged the gap immediately ...Chris Rice wrote:According to the latest Chess Base article it looks like we are going to get a happy ending. The final papargraph says:
"Addendum: We have spoken to the organisers and [our] Chess Federation contacts in Norway and did not find the mood pessimistic or gloomy. They are working hard on a solution, and the prediction is that the Olympiad will go ahead as planned."
http://en.chessbase.com/post/trouble-in ... nderfunded
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Contemporary reports bear this out.NickFaulks wrote:What Robertsen says is no doubt true, but not the point. I spoke to them in Khanty, as lots of people did, and they knew perfectly well that they were bidding for the World Cup.
http://www.chessdom.com/news-2010/norwa ... s-olympiad
They knew about the World Cup several months before Khanty. They've got more entries than they anticipated, which cannot help with their budget. According to a poster on chessvibes, they may have to supplement the available hotels with private accommodation.
But what will they do? There's an apparent shortfall in sponsorship income or excess of expenses and the Government is unwilling to make up the difference.
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They will spend the next two weeks praying that at the point where federations have to make a real commitment to sending teams, as opposed to expressing an interest in doing so, a reasonable number will drop out. It's unfortunate that thay have done such a good job telling us all that, after a few recent duds, this Olympiad is going to be excellent and is not one to be missed.
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http://www.fide.com/component/content/a ... iters.htmlSean Hewitt wrote:Might explain why I've heard nothing about my arbiting appointment!
didn't see your name there Sean, unless you had a sex change and changed it to Lara Barnes
did see 3 IRL arbiters going.....
change your federation to IRL and you'll be flying..... bypass all the politics associated with being registered under ENG
get yourself on the IRL ticket for 2016
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Re: Olympiad
Faroe Islands 4 England 1.
Maggie Thatcher, as they say in your language in the boxing bars around Madison Square Garden in New York: Your boys took a hell of a beating! Your boys took a hell of a beating!
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Normally about half the arbiters come from the host Federation. On this occasion the Norwegians indicated some time ago that they didn't have enough suitably qualified people of their own and would be including a number from other Scandinavian countries.Mike Truran wrote:Faroe Islands 4 England 1.
Hence the four Faroese arbiters come as no surprise.
Sadly, there is something in that.Martin Crichton wrote:... bypass all the politics associated with being registered under ENG
I won't be making any further comment in the near future.
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Ireland 3 - England 0
Ireland chess playing population circa 1,000
England chess playing population circa 40,000
I wasn't aware of any special relationship that we (Ireland) had with the Norwegians!
England chess playing population circa 40,000
I wasn't aware of any special relationship that we (Ireland) had with the Norwegians!
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I was surprised at first by this list, but on closer analysis less so ( except by IRL - are they viewed as being on the extremity of the continent and therefore somewhat Nordic? ).
Take out Norway/Nordic and there simply weren't many Europe slots to go around. For major federations, one or two is par for the course and in some quarters the UK is seen as a single unit.... Lara had to go, after Turkey, so job done. I don't know how the ACP list played out, but it may have compounded the problem.
Take out Norway/Nordic and there simply weren't many Europe slots to go around. For major federations, one or two is par for the course and in some quarters the UK is seen as a single unit.... Lara had to go, after Turkey, so job done. I don't know how the ACP list played out, but it may have compounded the problem.
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Re: Ireland 3 - England 0
Ireland is certainly over-represented, but this comparison is definitely unfair. FIDE can only look at the number of FIDE registered players, from the last rating list IRL has 819 active players while ENG has 3415.Martin Crichton wrote:Ireland chess playing population circa 1,000
England chess playing population circa 40,000
Based on their 35035 active players, how many arbiters would you then expect from India?
Looking those numbers is actually interesting, the top 10 list has some surprising entries (I had to look up which country is IRI with 10213 active registered players):
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Fed Active players
1 IND 35035
2 FRA 33845
3 ESP 28115
4 RUS 25296
5 GER 19547
6 TUR 14286
7 GRE 12142
8 IRI 10213
9 ITA 10105
10 POL 9884
11 USA 9014
12 CZE 7662
13 HUN 6845
14 BRA 6749
15 SRI 5401
16 SRB 5215
17 SVK 4785
18 COL 4634
19 UKR 4522
20 DEN 4399
21 BEL 4370
22 NED 4225
23 CRO 4159
24 AUT 4011
25 POR 3722
26 ROU 3684
27 ARG 3527
28 ENG 3415
29 SLO 3141
30 VEN 2884
31 SUI 2634
32 EGY 2468
33 SWE 2342
34 PER 2299
35 NOR 2129
36 ECU 2067
37 AUS 2055
38 MEX 2054
39 BUL 1917
40 CHI 1855
41 CAN 1747
42 RSA 1738
43 LTU 1726
44 PHI 1633
45 SIN 1591
46 MAS 1590
47 ISR 1429
48 CUB 1400
49 DOM 1387
50 UAE 1367
51 BAN 1346
52 AZE 1316
53 KAZ 1253
54 GEO 1252
55 ISL 1217
56 NEP 1126
57 CHN 1072
58 VIE 1066
59 FIN 1061
60 BOT 1032
61 ALG 904
62 BIH 878
63 IRQ 857
64 BOL 837
65 CRC 832
66 IRL 819
67 BLR 764
68 LAT 741
69 JOR 737
70 ARM 735
71 ZAM 654
72 URU 633
73 EST 583
74 ESA 550
75 LBA 539
76 TUN 534
77 UZB 527
78 MNE 480
79 MDA 452
80 SYR 437
81 INA 419
82 PUR 410
83 SCO 408
84 NGR 401
85 ANG 395
86 NCA 390
87 KOR 374
88 MAR 364
89 PAR 359
90 LIB 355
91 LUX 350
92 TTO 344
93 THA 334
94 MKD 328
95 NZL 328
96 CYP 310
97 WLS 307
98 BAR 261
99 PLE 255
100 TKM 251
101 BRN 247
102 HKG 247
103 SUR 233
104 FAI 228
105 KGZ 227
106 UGA 224
107 PAN 222
108 KSA 214
109 MGL 201
110 YEM 193
111 HON 189
112 JAM 183
113 ZIM 170
114 KEN 162
115 ALB 155
116 MLT 153
117 JPN 147
118 BRU 141
119 SUD 134
120 GUA 128
121 MTN 128
122 JCI 104
123 PLW 102
124 TJK 102
125 MAD 101
126 KUW 99
127 FIJ 91
128 AFG 89
129 AHO 85
130 PAK 79
131 QAT 79
132 AND 76
133 ARU 64
134 FID 62
135 TPE 62
136 MAW 59
137 MNC 58
138 MYA 57
139 MDV 55
140 BHU 54
141 BAH 53
142 NAM 52
143 MAC 49
144 GHA 47
145 BER 45
146 ETH 45
147 TAN 40
148 CMR 38
149 GUM 38
150 GUY 38
151 LAO 38
152 GAM 32
153 SOL 30
154 SOM 28
155 TOG 28
156 SEY 26
157 TLS 25
158 LES 24
159 RWA 20
160 MOZ 19
161 MRI 19
162 SWZ 18
163 HAI 17
164 COM 16
165 ISV 15
166 PNG 14
167 CGO 12
168 LIE 12
169 GCI 11
170 MLI 10
171 OMA 10
172 SEN 10
173 SMR 10
174 BDI 9
175 STP 8
176 GAB 6
177 IVC 5
178 SLE 5
179 CAM 4
180 IVB 2
181 CAF 1
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Re: Olympiad
the actual players I referred to (playing population)
from the ECF grading database
The database includes everyone who has played graded chess, even 1 game, since the early 1990s. Currently (May 2014) the total is 105,878 players, of whom 12,087 have current grades.
I stand corrected... still about 10:1 roughly in line with the populations
from the ECF grading database
The database includes everyone who has played graded chess, even 1 game, since the early 1990s. Currently (May 2014) the total is 105,878 players, of whom 12,087 have current grades.
I stand corrected... still about 10:1 roughly in line with the populations
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Re: Ireland 3 - England 0
Paolo Casaschi wrote: Ireland is certainly over-represented, but this comparison is definitely unfair. FIDE can only look at the number of FIDE registered players, from the last rating list IRL has 819 active players while ENG has 3415.
Based on their 35035 active players, how many arbiters would you then expect from India?
You are misinterpreting the statistics. The number you are quoting are the totals of those who have ever played a potentially FIDE rated game and thus are on the ratings server.
Using FIDE's own definition of "active", having played a rated game in the last year, England's count is around 1250 and Ireland's about 200.
To get an accurate figure, one method is to look up the ranking of the lowest rated active player.
So for England
http://ratings.fide.com/card.phtml?event=432741
giving a count of 1258
and for Ireland
http://ratings.fide.com/card.phtml?event=2505665
giving a count of 199
So one way of looking at it, is that England are doing proportionately rather better than Ireland at enabling players to retain active ratings. Hardly surprising given the absence of rated events in Ireland.