2nd GM norm for Daniel Fernandez

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Re: 2nd GM norm for Daniel Fernandez

Post by Stewart Reuben » Tue Aug 22, 2017 7:03 pm

It is an incredibale coincidence that two people called Daniel Fernandez have the same rating of 2498 at the same time.

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Re: 2nd GM norm for Daniel Fernandez

Post by IM Jack Rudd » Tue Aug 22, 2017 9:05 pm

Stewart Reuben wrote:It is an incredibale coincidence that two people called Daniel Fernandez have the same rating of 2498 at the same time.
It's very unlikely that there would be two people with that particular name and that particular rating at the same time. But the probability that there would be some pair of people with the same name and the same rating at the same time is very high.

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Re: 2nd GM norm for Daniel Fernandez

Post by Stewart Reuben » Wed Aug 23, 2017 1:20 am

Jack, does not that depend on what each person thinks of as very high? It approximates to 0.02% that two people, randomly chosen from those who are rated, will have the same rating. Now they have to have the same first name and also last name.
I suppose I should have mentioned that they are both IMs.
Of course, if you are going to go looking, a Spanish sounding name iz probably still the best place to look. Garcia, Rodriguez and Fernandez are all very common in the FRL.
It was surprising that two people called Jack Rudd both played in Gibraltar.

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Re: 2nd GM norm for Daniel Fernandez

Post by Roger de Coverly » Wed Aug 23, 2017 2:49 am

Stewart Reuben wrote: It was surprising that two people called Jack Rudd both played in Gibraltar.
There's also the "other" Simon Williams

https://ratings.fide.com/card.phtml?event=468533

It's claimed that the existence of a duplicate confused the ECF Office into paying the other one for some coaching work.

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Re: 2nd GM norm for Daniel Fernandez

Post by LawrenceCooper » Wed Aug 23, 2017 8:23 am

Roger de Coverly wrote:
Stewart Reuben wrote: It was surprising that two people called Jack Rudd both played in Gibraltar.
There's also the "other" Simon Williams

https://ratings.fide.com/card.phtml?event=468533

It's claimed that the existence of a duplicate confused the ECF Office into paying the other one for some coaching work.
The claim was Simon's so I'm fairly certain it's true.

Adam A and C Taylor have probably confused a few opposing players in recent years.

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Re: 2nd GM norm for Daniel Fernandez

Post by IM Jack Rudd » Wed Aug 23, 2017 8:26 am

Richard Smith of Cornwall and Richard Smith of Barnstaple had the same grade a couple of years ago.

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Re: 2nd GM norm for Daniel Fernandez

Post by Mick Norris » Wed Aug 23, 2017 9:08 am

LawrenceCooper wrote:
Alexander Hardwick wrote:
Stewart Reuben wrote: [...] An heroic quest for [...] a 2500 rating, shows how difficult it is to achieve,
Said heroic quest appears to have concluded in emphatic fashion: http://ccfworld.com/Chess/Results/2017- ... I_Norm.htm
That takes his live rating to 2498 - 8.4 +5.9 = 2495.5 unless there is another result that has yet to appear on the rating server.
Dan beat Conor O'Donnell (2389) in round 3 and plays Gavin Wall (2329) in round 4
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Re: 2nd GM norm for Daniel Fernandez

Post by LawrenceCooper » Wed Aug 23, 2017 9:17 am

Mick Norris wrote:
LawrenceCooper wrote:
Alexander Hardwick wrote:
Said heroic quest appears to have concluded in emphatic fashion: http://ccfworld.com/Chess/Results/2017- ... I_Norm.htm
That takes his live rating to 2498 - 8.4 +5.9 = 2495.5 unless there is another result that has yet to appear on the rating server.
Dan beat Conor O'Donnell (2389) in round 3 and plays Gavin Wall (2329) in round 4
Around 2499 now then.

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Re: 2nd GM norm for Daniel Fernandez

Post by LawrenceCooper » Wed Aug 23, 2017 9:27 am

Mick Norris wrote:
LawrenceCooper wrote:
Alexander Hardwick wrote:
Said heroic quest appears to have concluded in emphatic fashion: http://ccfworld.com/Chess/Results/2017- ... I_Norm.htm
That takes his live rating to 2498 - 8.4 +5.9 = 2495.5 unless there is another result that has yet to appear on the rating server.
Dan beat Conor O'Donnell (2389) in round 3 and plays Gavin Wall (2329) in round 4
A tough start for Conor who was closing in on 2400 prior to this event.

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Re: 2nd GM norm for Daniel Fernandez

Post by Ian Thompson » Wed Aug 23, 2017 9:28 am

IM Jack Rudd wrote:Richard Smith of Cornwall and Richard Smith of Barnstaple had the same grade a couple of years ago.
That does have the benefit that when the grader mixes the two players up and allocates your game to the wrong player it doesn't affect your grade. :)

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Re: 2nd GM norm for Daniel Fernandez

Post by Stewart Reuben » Wed Aug 23, 2017 11:40 am

FIDE used to confuse Julian Hodgson with John Hodgson. This was before the days of FIN (FIDE identification numbers). The only way to determine whether they had got Julian's right was first to look up John's. If it had gone up substantially, that meant they had confused them again. I tried giving the FIDE adminstrator a bottle of booze, to investigate the matter each time, but this did no good.
Julian said the only way forward was for him to give John some private coaching.

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Re: 2nd GM norm for Daniel Fernandez

Post by Nick Grey » Wed Aug 23, 2017 2:00 pm

Does Dan need another GM norm and 2500?
Anyway nice to see CCF running an IM norm tournament if they could not run a GM tournament.

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Re: 2nd GM norm for Daniel Fernandez

Post by LawrenceCooper » Wed Aug 23, 2017 2:01 pm

LawrenceCooper wrote:
Mick Norris wrote:
LawrenceCooper wrote:
That takes his live rating to 2498 - 8.4 +5.9 = 2495.5 unless there is another result that has yet to appear on the rating server.
Dan beat Conor O'Donnell (2389) in round 3 and plays Gavin Wall (2329) in round 4
Around 2499 now then.
Sadly a round 4 loss (showing on the CCF page http://www.ccfworld.com/Chess/Results/2 ... I_Norm.htm ) means he is now a few wins away again.

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Re: 2nd GM norm for Daniel Fernandez

Post by LawrenceCooper » Wed Aug 23, 2017 2:02 pm

Nick Grey wrote:Does Dan need another GM norm and 2500?
Anyway nice to see CCF running an IM norm tournament if they could not run a GM tournament.
He just needs the rating.

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Re: 2nd GM norm for Daniel Fernandez

Post by Neville Belinfante » Thu Aug 24, 2017 6:17 am

A few months back, there was a thread about the Whitley quadrangular from about 1997. The American Daniel Fernandez played for the USA in that event.

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