WC Match 2016 - New York 10-30 November

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Re: WC Match 2016 - New York 10-30 November

Post by Roger de Coverly » Thu Aug 11, 2016 12:21 pm

Jonathan Bryant wrote: My memory - see disclaimer above - is that they originally wanted to charge £40 and £80 and then someway into the match cut prices to £20 and £40.
Your memory coincides with mine.

I found a piece by Mark Crowther on the old rec.games.chess newsgroup. In it he summarises an extract from "The Times" giving prices.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searc ... m2CcaajMgJ
There will be between 1000-1100 seats per day.

There are also debentures for all 24 games. Bonds are for 1 game.

Prices (in pounds sterling) :

A : Bonds 150 Debentures 3600
B : Bonds 125 Debentures 3000
C : Bonds 85 Debentures 2040
D : Bonds 65 Debentures 1560
E : Bonds 45 Debentures 1080

There are also corporate hospitality and travel and accomodation packages.
So £ 45 for even the cheap seats. As we both recall, these prices were eventually halved.

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Re: WC Match 2016 - New York 10-30 November

Post by Graham Borrowdale » Thu Aug 11, 2016 1:02 pm

I know for sure that my tickets in 1993 were £10 each, which was a deal for buying 3 days.
As has been said many times, we chess players want our game on the cheap! The last football match I went to was £25, but at least we did not have to keep quiet :)

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Re: WC Match 2016 - New York 10-30 November

Post by Jonathan Bryant » Thu Aug 11, 2016 1:24 pm

Graham Borrowdale wrote:I know for sure that my tickets in 1993 were £10 each, which was a deal for buying 3 days.
As has been said many times, we chess players want our game on the cheap! The last football match I went to was £25, but at least we did not have to keep quiet :)
I agree with your point in general, but if that deal had been known to me at the time I’d most definitely have gone. I’m guessing it was something that was made available during the match.

Certainly at the very start the tickets were very expensive. There’s a land of opportunity between that and wanting chess on the cheap.

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Re: WC Match 2016 - New York 10-30 November

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Thu Aug 11, 2016 1:28 pm

Am trying to remember what I paid for the time I went to the WCC at Hammersmith Riverside Studios (8 October to 4 November 2000), where Kramnik would beat Kasparov. I still have the souvenir booklet somewhere. Can anyone remember the prices for that?

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Re: WC Match 2016 - New York 10-30 November

Post by Jonathan Bryant » Thu Aug 11, 2016 1:30 pm

Christopher Kreuzer wrote:Am trying to remember what I paid for the time I went to the WCC at Hammersmith Riverside Studios in 2000, where Kramnik would beat Kasparov. I still have the souvenir booklet somewhere. Can anyone remember the prices for that?
I was just wondering that. I was thinking it was in the £20 region but I’m not sure.


What was the cost of the Candidates’ Chris? It wasn’t the cost that put me off going to that - it was the organisers’ statement that a ticket didn’t guarantee admission to the playing hall.

Although I think it became clear pretty quickly that wasn’t going to be an issue.

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Re: WC Match 2016 - New York 10-30 November

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Thu Aug 11, 2016 1:48 pm

The London Candidates was more recent (15 March to 1 April 2013), but I'm no more likely to remember. Are there no traces left on the internet? I could look at my bank statements or the tickets themselves (I will have kept them somewhere). Hopefully someone else will remember!

Heh, should we dig further back. Did they charge for the 1972 WCC? What about the other ones? If you turned up at one of the pre-1972 WCC matches, would you have just been able to wander in and watch?

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Re: WC Match 2016 - New York 10-30 November

Post by Jonathan Bryant » Thu Aug 11, 2016 1:52 pm

Christopher Kreuzer wrote:The London Candidates was more recent (15 March to 1 April 2013), but I'm no more likely to remember. Are there no traces left on the internet? I could look at my bank statements or the tickets themselves (I will have kept them somewhere). Hopefully someone else will remember!
My memory is the prices were not at all unreasonable. It was the prospect of paying for a ticket and not actually getting in to the playing hall that put me off.

Of course AGON can charge whatever they want. $50 doesn’t seem too extreme to me for a world championship match. On the upper edge, perhaps, but not grossly over the top like 93 was (at the start at least). I doubt the average tourist who stumbles across the match just because they happen to be passing by will want to pay that much though.

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Re: WC Match 2016 - New York 10-30 November

Post by Roger de Coverly » Thu Aug 11, 2016 2:49 pm

Jonathan Bryant wrote: My memory is the prices were not at all unreasonable. It was the prospect of paying for a ticket and not actually getting in to the playing hall that put me off.
A general blog about London and London events supplies the information.
http://londonist.com/2013/03/the-world- ... -to-london
The World Chess Candidates Tournament takes place at 2 Savoy Place from 14 March to 1 April. A tournament pass valid for every session is £200. Adult tickets for individual sessions are £25, students £11.25.

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Re: WC Match 2016 - New York 10-30 November

Post by Mick Norris » Thu Aug 11, 2016 4:14 pm

Jonathan Bryant wrote:
Christopher Kreuzer wrote:Am trying to remember what I paid for the time I went to the WCC at Hammersmith Riverside Studios in 2000, where Kramnik would beat Kasparov. I still have the souvenir booklet somewhere. Can anyone remember the prices for that?
I was just wondering that. I was thinking it was in the £20 region but I’m not sure.
I remember going and the price can't have been an issue, given I actually had to get down to London and went with a couple of University mates (indeed, the ones I stayed with a couple of weeks ago on my last visit to the metropolis)

I think it was less than £50,000 though :lol:
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Re: WC Match 2016 - New York 10-30 November

Post by Tristan Clayton » Thu Aug 11, 2016 9:37 pm

£15 for my ticket in 2000.

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Re: WC Match 2016 - New York 10-30 November

Post by MJMcCready » Fri Aug 12, 2016 3:54 am

But with Kasparov playing you are likely to get entertainment value for your money. Even if I had the time, I wouldn't go to watch Carlsen - Kajakin. Let's be honest, how many interesting games are there likely to be? Not many, possibly just one or two.

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Re: WC Match 2016 - New York 10-30 November

Post by Mick Norris » Fri Aug 12, 2016 8:48 am

MJMcCready wrote:But with Kasparov playing you are likely to get entertainment value for your money. Even if I had the time, I wouldn't go to watch Carlsen - Kajakin. Let's be honest, how many interesting games are there likely to be? Not many, possibly just one or two.
All games will be interesting, they always are - what they may not all be is exciting
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Re: WC Match 2016 - New York 10-30 November

Post by MJMcCready » Fri Aug 12, 2016 9:14 am

Glad to know we have at least one aficionado. Interesting in that they help predict the outcome of the match yes. Beyond that opening theory developments yes-for professionals. Both aside I think there will be a maximum of two games worth following. Just my thoughts. Stand to be corrected.

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Re: WC Match 2016 - New York 10-30 November

Post by Jonathan Bryant » Fri Aug 12, 2016 4:11 pm

MJMcCready wrote:But with Kasparov playing you are likely to get entertainment value for your money.
The reality:-

When Kasparov last played a World Championship match in New York - 5 draws in 22 moves or fewer. Another in 25 moves. That’s out of 18 games in total.

When Kasparov last played a World Championship match (in London) - draws in 11 and 14 moves, another in 24 moves.

Short draws also in London 1993 and New York/Lyon 1990

Draws in 19, 20, 21 and another 21 in Seville 1987.


And that’s without counting 20+ draws in 25 moves or fewer in the first match with Karpov.



Kasparov did what he had to do to win - the same as Carlsen and Karjakin will. Well, Karjakin will do what he has to do to try (and fail) to win, but you know what I mean.
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Re: WC Match 2016 - New York 10-30 November

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Fri Aug 12, 2016 4:22 pm

Mick Norris wrote:
MJMcCready wrote:But with Kasparov playing you are likely to get entertainment value for your money. Even if I had the time, I wouldn't go to watch Carlsen - Kajakin. Let's be honest, how many interesting games are there likely to be? Not many, possibly just one or two.
All games will be interesting, they always are - what they may not all be is exciting
Yes, this. And it will at least be better than Anand-Gelfand - well, probably (and even that one wasn't all bad)
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