WC Match 2016 - New York 10-30 November

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Re: WC Match 2016 - New York 10-30 November

Post by Roger de Coverly » Wed Nov 30, 2016 10:52 pm

Game 4 as a "must win" for Black sees the Sicilian. Magnus plays an open Sicilian but dodges the question as to which main line by playing the rarer 5. f3 idea. It has the advantage that you can play it, if prepared to settle for a draw, with comforting "occupy the centre" moves as opposed to the desperate attempts to maintain the initiative seen in some lines.

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Re: WC Match 2016 - New York 10-30 November

Post by Brian Towers » Wed Nov 30, 2016 10:53 pm

Christopher Kreuzer wrote:Strange blunder. What did Karjakin miss?
The obvious answer is Ra1 winning the queen but I suppose you really want to know what idea he missed that he couldn't save the queen by perhaps Qc3, Qd2 or running away to h4 to try and counter threaten something against the black king. The best answer is probably the idea of the moves NxB+ followed by Ng3+ and Rh1++ which is kind of hard to stop without shedding the queen.
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Re: WC Match 2016 - New York 10-30 November

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Wed Nov 30, 2016 11:07 pm

Hmm. Karjakin has played ...h5.

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Re: WC Match 2016 - New York 10-30 November

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Wed Nov 30, 2016 11:16 pm

Isn't Nc2 just a forced repetition?

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Post by Angus French » Wed Nov 30, 2016 11:21 pm

Covered by @BBCNewsnight just now with Jovanka Houska, Malcolm Pein and Susan Polgar. Evan Davis describing the match as a "superpower standoff by proxy"; Malcolm Pein saying the match is a throwback to the 1970s and 1990s. Really?

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Post by NickFaulks » Wed Nov 30, 2016 11:28 pm

Depends whether you view Norway as a superpower.
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Re: WC Match 2016 - New York 10-30 November

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Wed Nov 30, 2016 11:29 pm

Hmm. Bxe6, gxh4, Kh1 and set up Alekhine's canon on the g-file?

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Re: WC Match 2016 - New York 10-30 November

Post by JustinHorton » Wed Nov 30, 2016 11:37 pm

Angus French wrote:Covered by @BBCNewsnight just now with Jovanka Houska, Malcolm Pein and Susan Polgar.
Ha ha did anybody ask her how many people were watching the match?
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Re: WC Match 2016 - New York 10-30 November

Post by MartinCarpenter » Wed Nov 30, 2016 11:45 pm

Svidler really didn't think he'd finish it like that :)

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Re: WC Match 2016 - New York 10-30 November

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Wed Nov 30, 2016 11:49 pm

Nice final touch, reminds me of Kramnik's coup de grace (also the 4th rapid game, of course) in 2006.
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Re: WC Match 2016 - New York 10-30 November

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Wed Nov 30, 2016 11:50 pm

Ack, I missed the final few moves. Nice finish.

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Re: WC Match 2016 - New York 10-30 November

Post by Roger de Coverly » Thu Dec 01, 2016 12:04 am

Angus French wrote:Covered by @BBCNewsnight just now with Jovanka Houska, Malcolm Pein and Susan Polgar. Evan Davis describing the match as a "superpower standoff by proxy"; Malcolm Pein saying the match is a throwback to the 1970s and 1990s. Really?
Link to the iplayer coverage (December 2016 only)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0 ... t-30112016

When was the last time Newsnight had a feature on chess?

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Re: WC Match 2016 - New York 10-30 November

Post by Jonathan Bryant » Thu Dec 01, 2016 12:10 am

Angus French wrote:Evan Davis describing the match as a "superpower standoff by proxy"
I’m not convinced that this was the most prepared he has ever been for a news item.

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Re: WC Match 2016 - New York 10-30 November

Post by Joshua Gibbs » Thu Dec 01, 2016 12:12 am

Roger de Coverly wrote:
Angus French wrote:Covered by @BBCNewsnight just now with Jovanka Houska, Malcolm Pein and Susan Polgar. Evan Davis describing the match as a "superpower standoff by proxy"; Malcolm Pein saying the match is a throwback to the 1970s and 1990s. Really?
Link to the iplayer coverage (December 2016 only)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0 ... t-30112016
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Re: WC Match 2016 - New York 10-30 November

Post by Jonathan Bryant » Thu Dec 01, 2016 12:15 am

Christopher Kreuzer wrote:Nice finish.
Indeed. Watching without an engine I was surprised Magnus didn’t play Qf2 instead of Qxf4. Then when he went for the sequence ending in Rc8 check I couldn’t see the mate and thought he’d blown it.

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the app I was watching on posted 0-1 and I nearly soiled the sofa. That really would have been the world championship of chokes.

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