2016 Olympiad - Baku

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Re: 2016 Olympiad - Baku

Post by Roger de Coverly » Mon Sep 05, 2016 7:29 pm

Leonard Barden wrote:I could not remember when England were last beaten in an Olympiad match by 0.5-3.5 or worse, so I have just checked back with the help of Olympbase.
Round 10 in Dubai 1986. That was against Spain (with the alleged assistance of the Soviet Union).

http://www.olimpbase.org/1986/1986fa10.html#eng

ENG ENG England 2565 ½ : 3½ 2460 Spain ESP ESP
GM Miles 2570 0 - 1 2485 IM Fernández García
GM Nunn 2590 0 - 1 2475 FM Illescas Córdoba
GM Chandler 2565 0 - 1 2420 IM Ochoa de Echagüen
GM Speelman 2535 ½ - ½ 2460 IM Romero Holmes

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Re: 2016 Olympiad - Baku

Post by Leonard Barden » Mon Sep 05, 2016 7:39 pm

de Coverly 1-0 Barden

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Re: 2016 Olympiad - Baku

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Mon Sep 05, 2016 7:49 pm

When was the last 4-0 loss, then?

(if indeed there has ever been one)
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Re: 2016 Olympiad - Baku

Post by Leonard Barden » Mon Sep 05, 2016 8:06 pm

Matt Mackenzie wrote:When was the last 4-0 loss, then?

(if indeed there has ever been one)
Munich 1958
USSR 4-0 England

Botvinnik 1-0 Alexander
Smyslov 1-0 Penrose
Tal 1-0 Golombek
Petrosian 1-0 Clarke

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Re: 2016 Olympiad - Baku

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Mon Sep 05, 2016 8:31 pm

A pretty strong bunch to get whitewashed by, tbf.
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Re: 2016 Olympiad - Baku

Post by Kevin Greenacre » Mon Sep 05, 2016 8:37 pm

Something similar happened in 1956 (Moscow) as well -

Soviet Union 4 : 0 England
GM Botvinnik 1 - 0 IM Golombek
GM Keres 1 - 0 Penrose
GM Bronstein 1 - 0 IM Wade
GM Geller 1 - 0 Phillips

I think these were the only times England lost 4-0.

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Re: 2016 Olympiad - Baku

Post by PeterFarr » Mon Sep 05, 2016 8:41 pm

Matt Mackenzie wrote:A pretty strong bunch to get whitewashed by, tbf.
You wouldn't want to be the captain who gives that opposition team sheet to their players; though they rested Keres and Bronstein, who may have been regarded as stronger than Tal and Petrosian at the time (?)

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Re: 2016 Olympiad - Baku

Post by David Robertson » Mon Sep 05, 2016 8:42 pm

Matt Mackenzie wrote:A pretty strong bunch to get whitewashed by, tbf.
Four world champions. Now define litotes

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Re: 2016 Olympiad - Baku

Post by Jonathan Rogers » Mon Sep 05, 2016 8:47 pm

I think we lost 3.5 - 0.5 to Poland not so long ago, but in the European team Chs, which may be significant because we probably didn't have our best team available (though I think it was still a respectable English side).

Cheery topic of conversation, eh? We could have gone back to 1994 when WE beat the Dutch by 3.5-0.5 and took the lead with two rounds to go ..

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Re: 2016 Olympiad - Baku

Post by Kevin Greenacre » Mon Sep 05, 2016 8:58 pm

To cheer up people, prior to 2016 when was the last time England won a match 4-0?

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Re: 2016 Olympiad - Baku

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Mon Sep 05, 2016 10:13 pm

Roger de Coverly wrote:
Leonard Barden wrote:I could not remember when England were last beaten in an Olympiad match by 0.5-3.5 or worse, so I have just checked back with the help of Olympbase.
Round 10 in Dubai 1986. That was against Spain (with the alleged assistance of the Soviet Union).
Don't think there was much "alleged" about it, tbh. Still rankles a bit three decades on :)
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Re: 2016 Olympiad - Baku

Post by IanCalvert » Mon Sep 05, 2016 11:14 pm

When was the last time England scored 8-0 in one round?

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Re: 2016 Olympiad - Baku

Post by Ian Thompson » Mon Sep 05, 2016 11:30 pm

IanCalvert wrote:When was the last time England scored 8-0 in one round?
2 September 2016.

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Re: 2016 Olympiad - Baku

Post by Chris Rice » Tue Sep 06, 2016 8:02 am

Don't think we should chuck in the towel just yet in the Open, only 10 teams ahead of us on match points and a few rounds to go.

Open Round 5 pairings:

Vietnam (VIE) - England (ENG)
GM Le, Quang Liem 2723 - GM Adams, Michael 2738
GM Nguyen, Ngoc Truong Son 2633 - GM McShane, Luke J 2671
FM Nguyen, Anh Khoi 2448 - GM Jones, Gawain C B 2635
GM Dao, Thien Hai 2486 - GM Short, Nigel D 2666

Standings after Rd 4:

1= China, Azerbaijan, Netherlands, India, Belarus, Ukraine 8
7= USA, Czech Republic, Serbia, Slovenia, Spain, Georgia, Mongolia 7
32 England 6
61=Ireland, Scotland 4
107= Wales 3

Women's Round 5 pairings:

England (ENG) - Zimbabwe (ZIM)
IM Houska, Jovanka 2386 - Wakuruwarewa, Colletta 1716
IM Ciuksyte, Dagne 2323 - Zengeni, Tatenda Melisa 1649
FM Kalaiyalahan, Akshaya 2017 - Pasipanodya, Valentine 1594
WFM Bhatia, Kanwal K 2133 - Nomalungelo, Mathe 1574

Standings after Rd 4:

1= Ukraine, Serbia, Russia, Kazakhstan, 8
5= Romania, India, Italy, China, Israel, Germany, Azerbaijan, Vietnam 7

52= Scotland, Wales 4
82= England, Ireland 3

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Re: 2016 Olympiad - Baku

Post by MJMcCready » Tue Sep 06, 2016 11:56 am

Didn't we draw in the last Olympiad with Vietnam?

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