2016 Olympiad - Baku

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Re: 2016 Olympiad - Baku

Post by David Sedgwick » Fri Sep 02, 2016 4:54 pm

John Moore wrote:Interestingly, Nigel said on the other thread about the Olympiad Teams that he was playing on bottom board on the bottom board and Roger pointed out that there was a board 86 below England-IBCA. Nigel ought to know where he is playing - I wonder.
Whatever else may or not be happening, that comment is not justified.

Initially only 85 pairings were announced and Nigel was indeed playing "on bottom board on the bottom board".

Then, after he tweeted, a pairing was added on an additional table / board, Number 86.

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Re: 2016 Olympiad - Baku

Post by Paul Dargan » Fri Sep 02, 2016 4:56 pm

Phew!

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Re: 2016 Olympiad - Baku

Post by gmpetewells » Fri Sep 02, 2016 4:57 pm

Sorry 2-0 with two boards pressing. Briefly got confused by the coverage myself then!

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Re: 2016 Olympiad - Baku

Post by David Sedgwick » Fri Sep 02, 2016 5:01 pm

gmpetewells wrote:I am 99.5% confident you will find that the match has been broadcast in reverse ( ie Boards 1 and 4 on the one hand and Boards 2 and 3 on the other have been swapped around). So Nigel was the first to win with Black, and we are now 3-0 ahead with Luke pressing on the remaining board.
In the meantime, it has been a delight to see a range of factors blamed for our 'unfolding disaster', from the very reasonable decision to rest Mickey, to the replacement of a random ordering of names by a sensible board order!
Welcome to the Forum, Peter.

You've come in for some criticism here in previous Olympiads and European Team Championships, most of it unjustified in my opinion.

I don't blame you for seizing the opportunity to gain some subtle revenge in your first post.

All the same, arranging for chess24 to broadcast the games the wrong way round seems a very elaborate ruse. :lol:

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Re: 2016 Olympiad - Baku

Post by John Moore » Fri Sep 02, 2016 5:02 pm

David Sedgwick wrote:
John Moore wrote:Interestingly, Nigel said on the other thread about the Olympiad Teams that he was playing on bottom board on the bottom board and Roger pointed out that there was a board 86 below England-IBCA. Nigel ought to know where he is playing - I wonder.
Whatever else may or not be happening, that comment is not justified.

Initially only 85 pairings were announced and Nigel was indeed playing "on bottom board on the bottom board".

Then, after he tweeted, a pairing was added on an additional table / board, Number 86.
David - I was not criticising Nigel! I was trying to work out what on earth was going on with the live games and I wondered whether the England game was actually being played on board 86. If you read what I said on that basis, it should make sense.

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Re: 2016 Olympiad - Baku

Post by Colin Patterson » Fri Sep 02, 2016 5:06 pm

Not sure what to make of this. Why did Short's opponent resign in an equal position?

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Re: 2016 Olympiad - Baku

Post by John Moore » Fri Sep 02, 2016 5:06 pm

Great result for Wales - 1-3 against Norway even without Carlsen. Draws for Richard Jones against Hammer and Charles Morris against Nicolai Getz.

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Re: 2016 Olympiad - Baku

Post by David Sedgwick » Fri Sep 02, 2016 5:08 pm

John Moore wrote:David - I was not criticising Nigel! I was trying to work out what on earth was going on with the live games and I wondered whether the England game was actually being played on board 86. If you read what I said on that basis, it should make sense.

Thanks for the explanation and sorry for any offence caused.

I should have posted something at the time when Roger first suggested that Nigel might have got things wrong.

Chess Results has England v IBCA as Match 85 and Costa Rica v Lesotho as Match 86. When I first looked at the pairings, the latter was not there.

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Re: 2016 Olympiad - Baku

Post by Paul Dargan » Fri Sep 02, 2016 5:10 pm

@colin - Well they are showing fragments of the same game twice - so I think you have to take the whole game transmission with a large pinch of salt.

So to summarise - whoever connected the boards thought that Bd1 was at one end of the table - then the people who put the bd numbers and names out laid them out in reverse? So what was 1 was actually 4, 3 was 2, 2 was 3 and 1 was 4 ... does that explain what we saw?

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Re: 2016 Olympiad - Baku

Post by IanCalvert » Fri Sep 02, 2016 5:12 pm

David

If England win 4-0 are they likely to get one of Russia, China or USA in Round 2?

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Re: 2016 Olympiad - Baku

Post by MJMcCready » Fri Sep 02, 2016 5:14 pm

Well we are losing 2-0 at the moment so a draw is our best chance but I can't see Nigel winning his game.

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Re: 2016 Olympiad - Baku

Post by John Moore » Fri Sep 02, 2016 5:14 pm

David Sedgwick wrote:
John Moore wrote:David - I was not criticising Nigel! I was trying to work out what on earth was going on with the live games and I wondered whether the England game was actually being played on board 86. If you read what I said on that basis, it should make sense.

Thanks for the explanation and sorry for any offence caused.

I should have posted something at the time when Roger first suggested that Nigel might have got things wrong.

Chess Results has England v IBCA as Match 85 and Costa Rica v Lesotho as Match 86. When I first looked at the pairings, the latter was not there.
David - no offence taken, I assure you.

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Re: 2016 Olympiad - Baku

Post by John Moore » Fri Sep 02, 2016 5:15 pm

MJMcCready wrote:Well we are losing 2-0 at the moment so a draw is our best chance but I can't see Nigel winning his game.
Perhaps you should read what has been said earlier before you post!

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Re: 2016 Olympiad - Baku

Post by David Sedgwick » Fri Sep 02, 2016 5:15 pm

IanCalvert wrote:David

If England win 4-0 are they likely to get one of Russia, China or USA in Round 2?
Not necessarily. The pairings are not done on the basis of game points.

Please don't ask me to explain on what basis they are done.

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Re: 2016 Olympiad - Baku

Post by MJMcCready » Fri Sep 02, 2016 5:19 pm

John Moore wrote:
MJMcCready wrote:Well we are losing 2-0 at the moment so a draw is our best chance but I can't see Nigel winning his game.
Perhaps you should read what has been said earlier before you post!
What I have said is correct. What is your point?

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