"Kirsan Ilyumzhinov announced his resignation as FIDE President"

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Re: "Kirsan Ilyumzhinov announced his resignation as FIDE President"

Post by Chris Rice » Tue Mar 28, 2017 8:01 pm

While Nick is contemplating his response here is a further article from Peter Doggers It continues The interesting bits are:

"Removal from office is hard.

Ilyumzhinov doesn't intend to leave voluntarily, and to remove a President is not easy. The FIDE Statutes state: Any elected or appointed official in FIDE can be removed from his position for cause. Cause is defined as being contrary to the spirit and text of the statutes and regulations of their office. The action must have the agreement of the Ethics Committee and requires a two third vote of the Executive Board or a majority in the General Assembly. (...)

Then, what is the status of the extraordinary Presidential Board meeting, now scheduled for 10 April? Can other board members actually arrange one? According to the FIDE Statutes, it's the President who calls for such a meeting. Chapter 7 of the FIDE Handbook states:

The Presidential Board should meet at least once every three months. In addition the FIDE President may at any time convene the Presidential Board for consultation in person or teleconference. [Italics by Chess.com.]"

It was my understanding though that because of the US sanctions against KI that he had already stepped down and Doggers makes reference to this:

"Crucial in these matters might be Ilyumzhinov's decision in December 2015 to "withdraw from any legal, financial and business operations of FIDE," after the U.S. Department of the Treasury had levied sanctions against him. What exactly is his power right now? Can Deputy President Georgios Makropoulos call for an extraordinary Presidential Board meeting? Can he make other decisions?"

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Re: "Kirsan Ilyumzhinov announced his resignation as FIDE President"

Post by NickFaulks » Tue Mar 28, 2017 9:27 pm

Chris Rice wrote: Can Deputy President Georgios Makropoulos call for an extraordinary Presidential Board meeting? Can he make other decisions?"
Those are easy questions. Yes, in fact he has all the powers of the President.
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Re: "Kirsan Ilyumzhinov announced his resignation as FIDE President"

Post by NickFaulks » Tue Mar 28, 2017 9:44 pm

Nigel Short wrote:To Nick Faulks:

You have supported the Kalmyk crook, Kirsan, through thick and thin all these years. What do you think of your dear chum, Nigel, shafting him now? What has the Executive Director suddenly seen that was not obvious to the rest of the universe (except you) before? Pray enlighten us, please...
I presume that the Executive Director has never previously put an announcement on the website stating that the President has resigned because this is the first time that the President has resigned.

It is not clear to me how announcing this resignation statement, and the PB's response to it, can be seen as anything but following their instructions and doing his job. Who else should have done it?
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Re: "Kirsan Ilyumzhinov announced his resignation as FIDE President"

Post by David Sedgwick » Tue Mar 28, 2017 10:11 pm

Malcolm Pein on the BBC World Service:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p04y7bdj

This was broadcast yesterday and hence pre-dates the further developments today.

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Re: "Kirsan Ilyumzhinov announced his resignation as FIDE President"

Post by Roger de Coverly » Tue Mar 28, 2017 10:23 pm

NickFaulks wrote: this is the first time that the President has resigned.
Campomanes resigned in similar circumstances of a revolt by the rest of the FIDE establishment. That's probably before FIDE had a website, but was within the lifetime of TWIC.

Is Nigel Freeman's current position elected or appointed and paid?

If the latter, it's akin to the ECF Office Manager announcing on the ECF website at the end of a chaotic ECF Council meeting that the President or the CEO had resigned. Particularly if this was disputed an employee might wish not to be seen to be taking sides.

Reports appear to suggest that the FIDE meeting was emotional, presumably not tired as well.

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Re: "Kirsan Ilyumzhinov announced his resignation as FIDE President"

Post by NickFaulks » Tue Mar 28, 2017 10:37 pm

Roger de Coverly wrote: it's akin to the ECF Office Manager announcing on the ECF website at the end of a chaotic ECF Council meeting that the President or the CEO had resigned. Particularly if this was disputed an employee might wish not to be seen to be taking sides.
So when his boss tells him to put a statement on the website he's supposed to say sorry, do it yourself?
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Re: "Kirsan Ilyumzhinov announced his resignation as FIDE President"

Post by Roger de Coverly » Tue Mar 28, 2017 10:44 pm

NickFaulks wrote: So when his boss tells him to put a statement on the website he's supposed to say sorry, do it yourself?
Who is Nigel's boss?

If it's Kirsan, he's disputed that what he said in the meetings was a resignation statement. That's actually plausible or at least plausibly deniable given that he's not a native English speaker.

If it's the Presidential board in general, there's the problem of taking sides. It's not an exact analogy given the difference in the organisations, but if (when) there's a disputed ECF Board or Council meeting, from whom do the office in Battle take instructions about what to put on the ECF website?

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Re: "Kirsan Ilyumzhinov announced his resignation as FIDE President"

Post by David Sedgwick » Tue Mar 28, 2017 10:55 pm

Roger de Coverly wrote:It's not an exact analogy given the difference in the organisations, but if (when) there's a disputed ECF Board or Council meeting, from whom do the office in Battle take instructions about what to put on the ECF website?
I understand that that very situation did indeed arise in the chaotic last weeks prior to the 2015 elections. To the best of my knowledge the sequence of events was something like:

A told the Office to post something about a matter that fell within B's domain. The Office informed B. B told A that, if A did not withdraw the instruction, B would resign. A backed down.

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Re: "Kirsan Ilyumzhinov announced his resignation as FIDE President"

Post by Chris Rice » Tue Mar 28, 2017 10:56 pm

Roger de Coverly wrote:
NickFaulks wrote: So when his boss tells him to put a statement on the website he's supposed to say sorry, do it yourself?
Who is Nigel's boss?
One assumes from Nick's response to me earlier that it's now Makropoulos.

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Re: "Kirsan Ilyumzhinov announced his resignation as FIDE President"

Post by NickFaulks » Tue Mar 28, 2017 11:10 pm

Roger de Coverly wrote: Who is Nigel's boss?
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If it's the Presidential board in general, there's the problem of taking sides.
Day to day it would be Makro ( certainly not Kirsan, surely that's obvious ) but on Sunday almost the whole PB was in town. They evidently heard Kirsan say he was resigning and decided what to do about it - reconvene in a few weeks to consider the consequences. If anyone present disagreed with that, they kept it behind closed doors and what emerged was a clear PB decision.
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Re: "Kirsan Ilyumzhinov announced his resignation as FIDE President"

Post by Roger de Coverly » Tue Mar 28, 2017 11:21 pm

NickFaulks wrote: Day to day it would be Makro ( certainly not Kirsan, surely that's obvious )
Why is it obvious? Kirsan doesn't give the impression of being a constitutional monarch or dictator. An executive president rather than a prestige one. That was one of the stated reservations about Kasparov or Karpov as President, that they wouldn't be able to run the organisation even if they could open doors as ex World Champions.

It reminds me a little of the Walsh v Regan battle from getting on for ten years ago, both of whom thought they ran the ECF.

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Re: "Kirsan Ilyumzhinov announced his resignation as FIDE President"

Post by Roger de Coverly » Tue Mar 28, 2017 11:23 pm

NickFaulks wrote: They evidently heard Kirsan say he was resigning and decided what to do about it - reconvene in a few weeks to consider the consequences. If anyone present disagreed with that, they kept it behind closed doors and what emerged was a clear PB decision.
A long overdue revolt by the insiders then.

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Re: "Kirsan Ilyumzhinov announced his resignation as FIDE President"

Post by Alex Holowczak » Tue Mar 28, 2017 11:30 pm

Roger de Coverly wrote:
NickFaulks wrote: Day to day it would be Makro ( certainly not Kirsan, surely that's obvious )
Why is it obvious? Kirsan doesn't give the impression of being a constitutional monarch or dictator. An executive president rather than a prestige one. That was one of the stated reservations about Kasparov or Karpov as President, that they wouldn't be able to run the organisation even if they could open doors as ex World Champions.
I don't profess to be an expert on FIDE politics, but I think it would be obvious to anyone with any knowledge of how FIDE works that Makro is in charge. This was probably true even before Kirsan appeared on the US sanctions list. Does Kirsan really come across to you as being the sort of person who would have his finger on the pulse of operational matters?

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Re: "Kirsan Ilyumzhinov announced his resignation as FIDE President"

Post by NickFaulks » Tue Mar 28, 2017 11:35 pm

Roger de Coverly wrote: Why is it obvious?
https://www.fide.com/component/content/ ... -fide.html
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Re: "Kirsan Ilyumzhinov announced his resignation as FIDE President"

Post by Chris Rice » Tue Mar 28, 2017 11:41 pm

Roger de Coverly wrote:
NickFaulks wrote: Day to day it would be Makro ( certainly not Kirsan, surely that's obvious )
Why is it obvious? Kirsan doesn't give the impression of being a constitutional monarch or dictator. An executive president rather than a prestige one.
Seems clear to me now that when Ilyumzhinov decided in December 2015 to withdraw from any dealings in the legal, financial and business operations of FIDE after the U.S. Department of the Treasury had levied sanctions against him he effectively handed over Presidential authority to Makropoulos. It appears that Ilyumzhinov may have thought this was just a technicality, for the Americans to drop the sanctions in due course, that he could take back the Presidency whenever he wanted and that he was still effectively the President. However, Makro and the Presidential Board didn't see it that way, they now have the power and are seizing the chance to get rid of him once and for all.

I suspect the PB have been watching Game of Thrones.

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