2018 World Championship in London

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Re: 2018 World Championship in London

Post by JustinHorton » Mon Nov 26, 2018 10:07 am

Alex Holowczak wrote:
Mon Nov 26, 2018 10:07 am
Chris Rice wrote:
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Falsely tarnishing the quality of the match you are promoting is not great PR."
I don't know, maybe if they give the impression the players are fallible, people might tune in in the hope that they're not going to watch another draw.
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Re: 2018 World Championship in London

Post by Mike Gunn » Mon Nov 26, 2018 11:46 am

If Carlsen and Caruana draw all the remaining games (including the armageddon), could this be the only case where a new world champion wins the title without winning a single game in the final? (Answer: no - Karpov in 1975.)

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Re: 2018 World Championship in London

Post by Chris Rice » Mon Nov 26, 2018 12:07 pm

Ian Rogers again:

"With the final classical game of London 2018 soon to begin, flashback to 2010. Match in Sofia tied after 11. Topalov goes all-in and loses to Anand. After the game Topalov said he feared playing tiebreaks on Friday the 13th as he had lost them v Kramnik in 2006 on Friday the 13th."

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Re: 2018 World Championship in London

Post by Jonathan Bryant » Mon Nov 26, 2018 12:44 pm

Chris Rice wrote:
Mon Nov 26, 2018 9:06 am
Australian GM Ian Rogers:-
“Falsely tarnishing the quality of the match you are promoting is not great PR."

“The best seats were in the toilets”

The above, which is taken from one spectator’s account of game 10, is not great PR either

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Re: 2018 World Championship in London

Post by Matthew Turner » Mon Nov 26, 2018 1:28 pm

For the alternative perspective, I went to a local chess club this week and five members had been down to the match - they said it was brilliant. Each to their own I guess

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Re: 2018 World Championship in London

Post by Richard Bates » Mon Nov 26, 2018 1:29 pm

Mike Gunn wrote:
Mon Nov 26, 2018 11:46 am
If Carlsen and Caruana draw all the remaining games (including the armageddon), could this be the only case where a new world champion wins the title without winning a single game in the final? (Answer: no - Karpov in 1975.)
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Re: 2018 World Championship in London

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Mon Nov 26, 2018 2:48 pm

Formally speaking maybe, but nobody actually thinks like that.
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Re: 2018 World Championship in London

Post by JustinHorton » Mon Nov 26, 2018 4:57 pm

Chris Rice wrote:
Mon Nov 26, 2018 12:07 pm
Ian Rogers again:

"With the final classical game of London 2018 soon to begin, flashback to 2010. Match in Sofia tied after 11. Topalov goes all-in and loses to Anand. After the game Topalov said he feared playing tiebreaks on Friday the 13th as he had lost them v Kramnik in 2006 on Friday the 13th."
Weirdly I found that I had no memory of that match at all. I had to look it up, on doing which the volcano business and the Lasker Variation sounded familiar, but prior to that, nothing.
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Re: 2018 World Championship in London

Post by Paul Cooksey » Mon Nov 26, 2018 5:30 pm

Veselin Topalov via Ian and Chris wrote:"After the game Topalov said he feared playing tiebreaks on Friday the 13th as he had lost them v Kramnik in 2006 on Friday the 13th."
Which is a nice line, but Topalov was a much bigger underdog in rapid against Anand at that time than Caruana is now. So I would be surprised by a repeat.

So far this one looks like the familiar pattern for half the games in the match - Caruana out prepares Carlsen and gets a tiny edge, Carlsen outplays Caruana in the middle game and gets a tiny edge, Carlsen misplays slightly and Caruana calculates himself out of trouble. Draw.

But I hope I'm wrong and does not go to tiebreaks

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Re: 2018 World Championship in London

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Mon Nov 26, 2018 5:33 pm

JustinHorton wrote:
Mon Nov 26, 2018 4:57 pm
Chris Rice wrote:
Mon Nov 26, 2018 12:07 pm
Ian Rogers again:

"With the final classical game of London 2018 soon to begin, flashback to 2010. Match in Sofia tied after 11. Topalov goes all-in and loses to Anand. After the game Topalov said he feared playing tiebreaks on Friday the 13th as he had lost them v Kramnik in 2006 on Friday the 13th."
Weirdly I found that I had no memory of that match at all. I had to look it up, on doing which the volcano business and the Lasker Variation sounded familiar, but prior to that, nothing.
I would think Anand messing up the opening game by forgetting his opening preparation is still remembered by a few.
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Re: 2018 World Championship in London

Post by LawrenceCooper » Mon Nov 26, 2018 6:10 pm

Game 12 drawn in 31 moves.
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Re: 2018 World Championship in London

Post by Allan Hodgkinson » Mon Nov 26, 2018 6:12 pm

Disappointing given the position and relative times

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Re: 2018 World Championship in London

Post by Mick Norris » Mon Nov 26, 2018 6:12 pm

I hadn't seen "it will be close" meaning 12 draws
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Re: 2018 World Championship in London

Post by Carl Hibbard » Mon Nov 26, 2018 6:13 pm

LawrenceCooper wrote:
Mon Nov 26, 2018 6:10 pm
Game 12 drawn in 29 moves.
Shocker with Carlsen really quite a lot better will serve him right if his speed play lets him down now.
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Re: 2018 World Championship in London

Post by David Robertson » Mon Nov 26, 2018 6:16 pm

LawrenceCooper wrote:
Mon Nov 26, 2018 6:10 pm
Game 12 drawn in 29 moves
In 29? Really? I'm looking at 31. But anyway, draw. And the entire patzersphere is WTF-ing and squawking its head off

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