2018 World Championship in London

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Re: 2018 World Championship in London

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Tue Oct 30, 2018 4:08 pm

Angus French wrote:
Tue Oct 30, 2018 9:56 am
JustinHorton wrote:
Tue Oct 30, 2018 9:42 am
My guess is that something will be said, because it's easy as well as right and because nobody likes AGON. What will actually be done though, is a harder question.
I have a vague recollection of Dvorkovich saying, during his election campaign, something to the effect that next month's AGON-organised World Championship match was a given but there would be a review after that.

Anyway, my guess is that AGON will be booted out after the World Championship match. There's no reason to keep them. Dvorkovich has a reputation as an organiser and presumably could do much better (including bringing in new sponsors). It would be an easy win.
Well, as one of those who has spent money on a ticket (and Ticketmaster and the organisers have finally got their act together and the tickets are now available to print), I hope AGON do a good job with this event, and that game 8 is a good one! :D

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Re: 2018 World Championship in London

Post by JustinHorton » Tue Oct 30, 2018 4:48 pm

One question to ask might be whether FIDE can publicly say that the thrity-minute delay, and the general attempt to pointlessly intimidate other media organisations, is not to their liking.

I don't know whether they have the power to tell AGON to desist (I am guessing not, but we're beyond my level of knowledge and competence here) but there's no reason obvious to me why they can't make some kind of a fuss, and if that's so, then they should do it.
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Re: 2018 World Championship in London

Post by Chris Rice » Tue Oct 30, 2018 5:09 pm

A tweet from Agon. Not sure who Agon are accusing of being a hypocrite but Nigel certainly thinks its him.

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Re: 2018 World Championship in London

Post by Roger de Coverly » Tue Oct 30, 2018 5:19 pm

JustinHorton wrote:
Tue Oct 30, 2018 4:48 pm
One question to ask might be whether FIDE can publicly say that the thrity-minute delay, and the general attempt to pointlessly intimidate other media organisations, is not to their liking.
Or even that the ECF could say it. Presumably to some extent Agon will depend on the ECF's connections to get a VIP turnout.

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Re: 2018 World Championship in London

Post by JustinHorton » Tue Oct 30, 2018 5:43 pm

Chris Rice wrote:
Tue Oct 30, 2018 5:09 pm
A tweet from Agon. Not sure who Agon are accusing of being a hypocrite but Nigel certainly thinks its him.
As it's replying to Chess24 my working assumption is that it's directed at them. Not sure why Nigel would feel a charge of hypocrisy would suggest he was the target.
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Re: 2018 World Championship in London

Post by Jonathan Bryant » Tue Oct 30, 2018 6:54 pm

David Robertson wrote:
Tue Oct 30, 2018 4:05 pm
Angus French wrote:
Tue Oct 30, 2018 9:56 am
I have a vague recollection of Dvorkovich saying, during his election campaign, something to the effect that next month's AGON-organised World Championship match was a given but there would be a review after that
Nigel Short has just tweeted his opinion
Well it’s an opinion. Nothing directly said about what AGON are doing.

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Re: 2018 World Championship in London

Post by Chris Rice » Tue Oct 30, 2018 10:29 pm

Starting to get nasty now.

Agon "It's not established case law, actually. It's established that chess moves are facts that fall under 'hot news doctrine', just like stock information, for example. As you know, stock information can be delayed for 15 minutes or more."

Chess 24 response "Or we could go by what a US Federal Court actually ruled when you tried to apply the "hot news doctrine" to chess: Court Decision 22 November 2016

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Re: 2018 World Championship in London

Post by Roger de Coverly » Tue Oct 30, 2018 10:45 pm

chess 24 (quoted by Chris Rice) wrote:
Tue Oct 30, 2018 10:29 pm
"Or we could go by what a US Federal Court actually ruled when you tried to apply the "hot news doctrine" to chess:
There's precedent for the transmission and display of moves in as near real time as the technology can manage, going back to 1978 in Baguio. Delayed relay of share prices on the other hand has an equally long history.

Delaying live broadcasts only dates from the DGT era as a crude anti-cheating attempt.

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Re: 2018 World Championship in London

Post by Nick Grey » Tue Oct 30, 2018 11:40 pm

Delayed relay happens in most major poker tournaments. I think some chess players are asking for too much for paying too little.

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Re: 2018 World Championship in London

Post by NickFaulks » Wed Oct 31, 2018 12:10 am

Roger de Coverly wrote:
Tue Oct 30, 2018 10:45 pm
Delaying live broadcasts only dates from the DGT era as a crude anti-cheating attempt.
Crude need not imply ineffective.

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Re: 2018 World Championship in London

Post by Richard Bates » Wed Oct 31, 2018 7:07 am

They’re not arguing for delayed relay as an anti-cheating measure though, are they? They’re not proposing to delay their own “exclusive” broadcast - (unsurprisingly, as making the players hang around for half an hour after the game before giving their post game interviews would probably not be popular. Even if a good thing to allow Magnus time to cool down a bit... 😉)

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Re: 2018 World Championship in London

Post by NickFaulks » Wed Oct 31, 2018 9:00 am

Richard Bates wrote:
Wed Oct 31, 2018 7:07 am
They’re not arguing for delayed relay as an anti-cheating measure though, are they?
Correct, I was making a different point.

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Re: 2018 World Championship in London

Post by David Sedgwick » Wed Oct 31, 2018 3:35 pm

Christopher Kreuzer wrote:
Tue Oct 30, 2018 4:08 pm
I hope AGON do a good job with this event ...
That would be very nice, but I regard it as improbable in the extreme.

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Re: 2018 World Championship in London

Post by JustinHorton » Wed Oct 31, 2018 4:09 pm

Guy I know went to the Candidates, said it was an absolute shambles.
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Re: 2018 World Championship in London

Post by David Sedgwick » Wed Oct 31, 2018 4:18 pm

JustinHorton wrote:
Wed Oct 31, 2018 4:09 pm
Guy I know went to the Candidates, said it was an absolute shambles.
I assume that the guy that you know is not I, but I excoriated Agon in my report on the Opening Ceremony.

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