2018 World Championship in London

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Re: 2018 World Championship in London

Post by Joshua Gibbs » Sun Nov 25, 2018 12:43 am

Stewart Reuben wrote:
Sun Nov 25, 2018 12:11 am
Well, I cannot cover my bet on Caruana to win in 12 games
If you mean cover as meaning you get your money back then you are wrong.

You can simply bet on carlsen and the draw here https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/c ... .151737785 . That bets against Caruana winning in 12 games. Or you could lay Caruana. Minus the percentage betfair charges that covers your bet?

You would be able to bet enough to make sure you didnt lose your original stake.
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Re: 2018 World Championship in London

Post by Stewart Reuben » Sun Nov 25, 2018 1:49 am

It is late at night, but I simply don't understand. Indeed 'covering a bet' means I recover the £50 I have so far wagered at a cost no greater than the £137.50 I get if Caruana wins.
Just explain to me how I cover the £50 if Caruana does not win.
I probably won't do it because it will be too little to bother with.
This shows how long it has been since I bet with a bookmaker. The last time was Brexit. And the time before that probably 2000.

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Re: 2018 World Championship in London

Post by JustinHorton » Sun Nov 25, 2018 7:05 am

Guess who is "writing a book about the match"
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Re: 2018 World Championship in London

Post by Nick Ivell » Sun Nov 25, 2018 9:49 am

Ok, I'll come out and say it.

My passion for chess was inspired by the Fischer - Spassky match (of course I'm referring to the 'real' match in 1972). Yes, the cold war politics added spice to the contest, but at the time I didn't even know what the cold war was. It was the chess that inspired me, right from the off.

That inexplicable endgame in game 1. The default in game 2. Then, when the match really got going, Bobby's incredible positional risk in game 3 (...Nh5). It was thrilling stuff. I couldn't get enough of it. Even at the time when I hardly knew what positional chess was (some may say that nothing has changed).

What's going on now? Yes, the standard of play is incredibly high. Yes, both Carlsen and Caruana are stronger players than Spassky ever was.

I suppose it boils down to this. Will this drawfest inspire a single person to become passionate about the game, from Tromso to San Francisco - similar to my experience in 1972? Call me a hopeless nostalgic, but I have my doubts...

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Re: 2018 World Championship in London

Post by Chris Rice » Sun Nov 25, 2018 9:53 am

Carlsen on game 12:

"A lot depends on what he wants to do. If he wants to shut it down, that's fine by me, we'll play rapid. Otherwise, we'll have a fight."

Nigel on the match:

"Not enough rounds and too many rest days. The tension needs to be ratcheted up."

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Re: 2018 World Championship in London

Post by Kevin Thurlow » Sun Nov 25, 2018 10:42 am

"You can't do that just drawing games, though "

But you can win the world championship match that way!

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Re: 2018 World Championship in London

Post by Joshua Gibbs » Sun Nov 25, 2018 11:11 am

Stewart Reuben wrote:
Sun Nov 25, 2018 1:49 am
It is late at night, but I simply don't understand. Indeed 'covering a bet' means I recover the £50 I have so far wagered at a cost no greater than the £137.50 I get if Caruana wins.
Just explain to me how I cover the £50 if Caruana does not win.
I probably won't do it because it will be too little to bother with.
This shows how long it has been since I bet with a bookmaker. The last time was Brexit. And the time before that probably 2000.
go to a betting exchange such as smarkets or betfair and place a lay bet on caruana winning, but at your own price, and wait for someone to come along and back it at the odds you set.
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Re: 2018 World Championship in London

Post by NickFaulks » Sun Nov 25, 2018 11:17 am

Chris Rice wrote:
Sun Nov 25, 2018 9:53 am

Nigel on the match: includes

"too many rest days."
The women played a final of four games and a session of tie-breaks without a day off. In the equivalent part of the men's match, there are three rest days. I'd say that in each case the ideal is somewhere in the middle.

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Re: 2018 World Championship in London

Post by JustinHorton » Sun Nov 25, 2018 11:24 am

Three games a week in 1993 if I am not mistaken
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Re: 2018 World Championship in London

Post by Mick Norris » Sun Nov 25, 2018 11:36 am

Indeed

There used to be a schedule where players could take a day off is they were ill (or "ill" I guess) I think

The question is whether computers and preparation have made both the length of matches, and the schedule, different

Looking at the Candidates, players sometimes agree short draws to have an extra rest day, and by the end of 14 rounds they often look and play like they are shattered (e.g Carlsen & Kramnik in the last round)

Radical I know, but how about asking the players what the optimum length of match and schedule of rest days would be?
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Re: 2018 World Championship in London

Post by NickFaulks » Sun Nov 25, 2018 11:44 am

Mick Norris wrote:
Sun Nov 25, 2018 11:36 am
Radical I know, but how about asking the players what the optimum length of match and schedule of rest days would be?
Not at all a foolish idea, but we must also not forget that the players will probably be happy to play twice as many games if they are paid twice as much.

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Re: 2018 World Championship in London

Post by JustinHorton » Sun Nov 25, 2018 11:52 am

Mick Norris wrote:
Sun Nov 25, 2018 11:36 am
Looking at the Candidates, players sometimes agree short draws to have an extra rest day, and by the end of 14 rounds they often look and play like they are shattered (e.g Carlsen & Kramnik in the last round)
Without taking issue with your general argument, did that not strike you more as a function of the extreme tension rather than exhaustion?
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Re: 2018 World Championship in London

Post by LawrenceCooper » Sun Nov 25, 2018 12:14 pm

Via Facebook:

Gata Kamsky created a poll.
5 hrs ·
Ok, so who's in favor of the world chess championship match consisting of good ol' 24 classical games and draw odds for the champion? After all, the Candidate has to beat the champion to take his crown, ala conquest by direct victory ! Aye? ) Let's vote. Aye for the idea, Nay for ChessXit ! )

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Re: 2018 World Championship in London

Post by Mick Norris » Sun Nov 25, 2018 12:55 pm

JustinHorton wrote:
Sun Nov 25, 2018 11:52 am
Mick Norris wrote:
Sun Nov 25, 2018 11:36 am
Looking at the Candidates, players sometimes agree short draws to have an extra rest day, and by the end of 14 rounds they often look and play like they are shattered (e.g Carlsen & Kramnik in the last round)
Without taking issue with your general argument, did that not strike you more as a function of the extreme tension rather than exhaustion?
Possibly, but the end of a WC match is greater tension surely?
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Re: 2018 World Championship in London

Post by Mike Gunn » Sun Nov 25, 2018 12:58 pm

Check out a great video by Matthew Sadler where he discloses Alpha Zero's evaluations of positions/ games from the WC match.

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