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The big secret is that poker players don't like gamblingChristopher Kreuzer wrote:Really? The players privately even out disparities in prize monies? Why?Nick Burrows wrote:These arrangements are the norm in poker tournaments.
Looking at the clock times and position in game 2 make uncomfortable viewing for Aronian fans (after move 21).LawrenceCooper wrote:1-0 after what looked like some Aronian prep that caught Ding out and insufficient time to try and navigate his way through the complications.MartinCarpenter wrote:Ropey position anyway but taking h5 really was a bit overly brave
Says the person who has just replied to a post on page 1 of a 62 page thread!Geoff Chandler wrote:"Does it actually say anywhere that the World Champion isn't eligible to compete in the Candidates"
Drop this....please.
At chessgames.com it went on and on and on for months...it still is.
Common sense tells you Carlsen cannot play in the candidates,
He is the Champion so he cannot be a candidate but there is nothing in writing.
Don't even look for it, a couple of lawyers across there have
spent hours on it looking at every FIDE rule they can find.
Apparently if Carlsen wants too he can play in the candidates.
People are convinced he can and should!
Drop it - forget it - you will go insane and friendships forged
over many years will be shattered.
Well done Lawrence, I'll even forgive you for a lack of diagram.
Change the subject. Stick to the game. Do not let this Carlsen
in the candidates take a firm hold. It will be the end of the site.
He seems to have turned it round though.LawrenceCooper wrote: Looking at the clock times and position in game 2 make uncomfortable viewing for Aronian fans (after move 21).
Yes, that looked one of the critical moments. At the time I was thinking how clever Ding had been in reaching a position where black's best option involved a temporary piece sacrifice but carried some risk. A move later it seemed a worse version with the black king on the h file but the g file came in very handy for his rook.Roger de Coverly wrote:He seems to have turned it round though.LawrenceCooper wrote: Looking at the clock times and position in game 2 make uncomfortable viewing for Aronian fans (after move 21).
This seems to be a critical position, where Ne8f6 can be played immediately. The idea is that after the piece is captured, you retake with the g pawn hitting the Bishop on e5. If that retreats you regain the piece by playing .. f5 .
As it was, he played .. Kh8 first. That would have been bad according to stockfish if Deng had played 23 Qd2 or 23 Qc1 instead of a Bishop retreat. If Black cuts out the h6 check by playing .. Kh7, then in the forking combination, Ng5 is check, so the piece isn't regained.
Well deservedLawrenceCooper wrote:Yes 0-1 after Ding missed black can play 32....Kg7 and doesn't have to exchange rooks first. Aronian wins the World Cup.
Essentially you have 2 players playing "Winner Takes All" for $40,000. One may wish to alter the risk/reward profile. If two wish that, you may have the makings of a deal.Richard Bates wrote:The big secret is that poker players don't like gamblingChristopher Kreuzer wrote:Really? The players privately even out disparities in prize monies? Why?Nick Burrows wrote:These arrangements are the norm in poker tournaments.
In relation to chess, I would guess that the danger is that it might cause trouble with the taxman.
Hi Geoff, returning to lowering the tone, here's a report of one that predates even Stewart's long experience of gentlemen's dubious arrangements -Stewart has been milling around in chess circles since before The Beatles cut their first record. He will know of a few cases where this has happened. It's up to him if he supplies names and dates (no reason to we know it has happened).
That great mother-of-all tournaments was also a mini-match knockout.Szen opened his match against Anderssen with infinitely more skill than he exhibited in the concluding games. It subsequently transpired (we feel bound in honesty to mention this, but with much regret; it was an unbecoming arrangement) that a compromise was effected in the middle of the contest that, if either player were fortunate enough to gain the first prize, he should pay one-third of its amount to the other. Whether this arrangement had any effect on the after-play of the Hungarian [Szen] it is impossible to say... (Howard Staunton The Chess Tournament - London 1851)