Squads for European Team Championships

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Re: Squads for European Team Championships

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:58 pm

Roger de Coverly wrote:
Sun Nov 05, 2017 8:44 pm
Christopher Kreuzer wrote:
Sun Nov 05, 2017 8:38 pm

- Which year was the tournament held in England, and where?
Bath 1973. It was that extremely rare event for chess that attracted more spectators than the venue (Guildhall) could reasonably accommodate. Teams were 8 to play from a squad of 10. The Soviet Union turned up with all the household names. You might pass someone who looked a bit like Petrosian in the street, and realise it was actually him in the flesh.
Though not - to the sorrow of many then and since - Leonid Stein, who was found dead in a hotel just as the USSR team was about to depart.
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Re: Squads for European Team Championships

Post by LawrenceCooper » Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:07 am

Bo. 4 England Rtg - 7 Hungary Rtg 0 : 0
4.1 GM Adams, Michael 2727 - GM Leko, Peter 2679
4.2 GM Howell, David W L 2698 - GM Rapport, Richard 2686
4.3 GM Jones, Gawain C B 2662 - GM Almasi, Zoltan 2707
4.4 GM Mcshane, Luke J 2647 - GM Berkes, Ferenc 2661

Bo. 23 England Rtg - 24 Lithuania Rtg 0 : 0
11.1 IM Houska, Jovanka 2393 - IM Cornette, Deimante 2404
11.2 IM Ciuksyte, Dagne 2318 - WIM Zaksaite, Salomeja 2272
11.3 FM Kalaiyalahan, Akshaya 2026 - WIM Kiseleva, Simona 2241
11.4 WFM Bhatia, Kanwal K 2080 - Gailiunaite, Saule 1838

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Re: Squads for European Team Championships

Post by Mick Norris » Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:13 am

LawrenceCooper wrote:
Sun Nov 05, 2017 7:36 pm
Round 9 sees the women finish against Lithuania with top board likely to play a big part in deciding the destination of the board 1 medals: http://chess-results.com/tnr304485.aspx ... =30&wi=984
Board medals are on rating performance I think regulations
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Re: Squads for European Team Championships

Post by LawrenceCooper » Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:17 am

Mick Norris wrote:
Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:13 am
LawrenceCooper wrote:
Sun Nov 05, 2017 7:36 pm
Round 9 sees the women finish against Lithuania with top board likely to play a big part in deciding the destination of the board 1 medals: http://chess-results.com/tnr304485.aspx ... =30&wi=984
Board medals are on rating performance I think regulations
Yes,all we need now is to find a list in that order.....

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Re: Squads for European Team Championships

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Re: Squads for European Team Championships

Post by Jonathan Rogers » Mon Nov 06, 2017 11:13 am

Alan Walton wrote:
Mon Nov 06, 2017 9:29 am
Hi, you mean this one

http://chess-results.com/tnr304485.aspx ... =30&wi=984
I guess they do! Thanks for this.

I thought I had been following the womens' event quite closely, but it must have been my imagination. I would have posted about Jovanka's excellent performance beforehand, otherwise.

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Re: Squads for European Team Championships

Post by Jonathan Rogers » Mon Nov 06, 2017 11:22 am

Chris asked:

- Which years did the England Open team (twice) and the England Women's team (twice) come third?

And I really don't know. I wonder whether sometimes in the past, the European event has been held in "even" number years, the same as the Olympiads - for some reason "Debrecen 1992" shrieks from my memory (when Short lost to Kasparov with White; not ideal with the prospect of the world championship match the following year). Perhaps we still came third, I don't know. I remember they also played in Lucerne 1989 and came nowhere (or at least, so it seemed at the time, it would probably look quite respectable today), thus prompting a Nigel Davies article in CHESS suggesting they were drinking every evening.

I will say probably twice in the 1990s for the men; and twice definitely, surely, when else but in the 1990s for the women.

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Re: Squads for European Team Championships

Post by JustinHorton » Mon Nov 06, 2017 12:03 pm

Is there anything wrong with www.olimpbase.org/worldteam/euro_results.html this source?

EDIT: apparently the answer is yes, the link doesn't work. Can't see what I've done wrong, but here it is separately:

www.olimpbase.org/worldteam/euro_results.html
Last edited by Carl Hibbard on Mon Nov 06, 2017 9:26 pm, edited 2 times in total.
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Re: Squads for European Team Championships

Post by Mick Norris » Mon Nov 06, 2017 1:00 pm

LawrenceCooper wrote:
Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:07 am
Bo. 23 England Rtg - 24 Lithuania Rtg 0 : 0
11.1 IM Houska, Jovanka 2393 - IM Cornette, Deimante 2404
live

Start was an hour earlier today
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Re: Squads for European Team Championships

Post by JustinHorton » Mon Nov 06, 2017 1:59 pm

Luke with one of those positions you had when a much stronger junior than you played the London or the Colle.
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Re: Squads for European Team Championships

Post by Jonathan Rogers » Mon Nov 06, 2017 2:19 pm

JustinHorton wrote:
Mon Nov 06, 2017 12:03 pm
Is there anything wrong with this source?

EDIT: apparently the answer is yes, the link doesn't work. Can't see what I've done wrong, but here it is separately:

www.olimpbase.org/worldteam/euro_results.html
Ah, I see we made third in Skara, something perhaps overshadowed in English minds by you-know-what-game.

But I also see that the event didn't take place between 1992 (when we did indeed finish third) and 1997 (winners)! Most likely we would have had at least another third place during that time otherwise. Can anyone explain the long gap? Did it really take five years to agree on appropriate names for the Yugoslav teams? :shock:

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Re: Squads for European Team Championships

Post by Jonathan Rogers » Mon Nov 06, 2017 2:30 pm

JustinHorton wrote:
Mon Nov 06, 2017 1:59 pm
Luke with one of those positions you had when a much stronger junior than you played the London or the Colle.
In the not-so-old days, people would get such positions (as White) against computers, who would think they were doing fine, until the mating threats suddenly appeared. With a +3 assessment for White at move 23, even with level material and only one White piece beyond the fourth rank (but yes, obviously, a knight on e5) those days are well gone.

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Re: Squads for European Team Championships

Post by David Robertson » Mon Nov 06, 2017 4:44 pm

Oh, well. Always look on the bright side of life :(

We may not have matched our seed. But we did finish Top Island, putting Crete, Iceland and the Faroes in their place

And we have established a high water mark to motivate the swarms of ambitious younger players clamouring for selection. Oh, wait... :roll:

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Re: Squads for European Team Championships

Post by Jonathan Rogers » Mon Nov 06, 2017 4:51 pm

Saving your worst till last (both teams) does not a happy journey home make.


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