Squads for European Team Championships

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Re: Squads for European Team Championships

Post by Roger de Coverly » Mon Oct 30, 2017 9:55 am

Alex Holowczak wrote:
Mon Oct 30, 2017 9:49 am

I think it would be fair to say that the team isn't what you'd call a Scottish 1st team; their board 1 is their 11th highest-rated player.
Chess Scotland team selection strategy for the European Championships is to select the highest rated team who can afford to finance themselves for the event. It's what the ECF would have to do if it didn't get team sponsorship or agreement to finance International teams out of amounts raised from amateur players.

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Re: Squads for European Team Championships

Post by Angus French » Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:48 am

MartinCarpenter wrote:
Mon Oct 30, 2017 9:37 am
Good result for Scotland, but I do have to say that the idea of their being notably out rated by the Faroe islands....
It's probably been asked before but are the Faroe Islands the strongest chess nation per capita? Wikipedia gives the country's population as 50,030 (April 2017) and in the current championships they have one GM, two IMs and two FMs playing.

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Re: Squads for European Team Championships

Post by Chris Rice » Mon Oct 30, 2017 11:20 am

Angus French wrote:
Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:48 am
MartinCarpenter wrote:
Mon Oct 30, 2017 9:37 am
Good result for Scotland, but I do have to say that the idea of their being notably out rated by the Faroe islands....
It's probably been asked before but are the Faroe Islands the strongest chess nation per capita? Wikipedia gives the country's population as 50,030 (April 2017) and in the current championships they have one GM, two IMs and two FMs playing.
In terms of GMs Iceland has always been the strongest chess country adjusting for population (per capita), Serbia is the top "large" country (population over 1 million) in terms of International Masters per capita, and Armenia is the top "large" country in terms of Grandmasters per capita according to FIDE. However, I agree the Faroe Islands do punch above their weight which is apparently due to the state funding they receive (same in Iceland). When I ran the Jutes of Kent team Helgi Dam Ziska, the number 1 Faroes player and a number of Icelanders were in it and they all said the same thing that chess players were well treated and respected in both places which really motivated them.

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Re: Squads for European Team Championships

Post by IM Jack Rudd » Mon Oct 30, 2017 11:25 am

Andorra must be up there if you include their inactive players: two GMs for a country with a population of 76,000.

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Re: Squads for European Team Championships

Post by NickFaulks » Mon Oct 30, 2017 12:01 pm

IM Jack Rudd wrote:
Mon Oct 30, 2017 11:25 am
Andorra must be up there if you include their inactive players: two GMs for a country with a population of 76,000.
Yes, but one of those is a recent import, as is their only IM. On that basis you might include Monaco, whose top players are all imports.
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Re: Squads for European Team Championships

Post by John Moore » Mon Oct 30, 2017 6:03 pm

Scotland on fire having beaten MKD or FYROM or whatever they are called by 2.5-1.5 despite being heavily outrated. As far as I can see, Scotland move level with England on match points! By the way, Andy Burnett's opponent missed something that everyone should look at and remember for the future for we are all destined to repeat the mistakes

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Re: Squads for European Team Championships

Post by MartinCarpenter » Mon Oct 30, 2017 8:41 pm

Go them :)

Having read up on FYROM its comforting to know there are some things sillier than the Lancashire/GM chess dispute in this world! I suppose that it is almost amusingly ironic....

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Re: Squads for European Team Championships

Post by Chris Rice » Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:10 am

Lengthy report from Peter Doggers on Round 3 of the Open. Full results here. A disappointing loss from England, three draws and Mickey lost on top board to Wojtaszek (2737). Whereas today was Scotland's day, clearly paying your own way provides its own motivation, an outstanding result:

(40) Scotland - (33) FYROM 2½:1½
17.1 FM Tate, Alan 2366 - IM Pancevski, Filip 2489 0 - 1
17.2 FM Berry, Neil 2283 - IM Stojanovski, Dejan 2454 ½ - ½
17.3 FM Morrison, Graham 2278 - FM Nikolovski, Nikola 2420 1 - 0
17.4 FM Burnett, Andrew 2226 - FM Lazov, Toni 2331 1 - 0

Russia are now the only team left on 100% and they face Hungary in Round 4. England face Italy who after a couple of great wins got a cold shower from the Germans. Scotland also like England on 3 match points are downfloated to play Greece 1.

In the Women's section the Round 3 results produced wins for Georgia, Spain, Poland & Russia to keep them on 100%. England got their first match point with their first board win from Akshaya:

(23) England - (29) Belgium 2 : 2
15.1 IM Houska, Jovanka 2393 - WFM Goossens, Hanne 2188 ½ - ½
15.2 WIM Maroroa, Sue 2077 - WFM Vanhuyse, Nele 2061 ½ - ½
15.3 FM Kalaiyalahan, Akshaya 2026 - Barbier, Wiebke 2013 1 - 0
15.4 WFM Bhatia, Kanwal K 2080 - WCM Vanduyfhuys, Daria 1737 0 - 1

Round 4 features Spain v Poland and Georgia v Russia while England take on Greece 2, hopefully they should get another result from that.

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Re: Squads for European Team Championships

Post by NickFaulks » Tue Oct 31, 2017 1:27 pm

Will Brunello try 6.g4 against Short?
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Re: Squads for European Team Championships

Post by John Moore » Tue Oct 31, 2017 5:51 pm

David Howell decided to turn down a forced draw with 48 Ne7 which would have given England the match. Instead he played a very sharp and unclear attempt to win which remains an unclear mess with David as always playing on increments. Why oh Why.

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Re: Squads for European Team Championships

Post by John Moore » Tue Oct 31, 2017 6:24 pm

Frankly a disgrace. I have said more than once before, I don't mind if David plays the entire game on increments from move 1 when he is playing in an individual event but I do care if he's playing for his country because he quite often blunders. This is the worst possible case so far because he has cost England a match point. But then does anyone care - no-one appears to be watching.

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Re: Squads for European Team Championships

Post by Carl Hibbard » Tue Oct 31, 2017 6:28 pm

John Moore wrote:
Tue Oct 31, 2017 6:24 pm
But then does anyone care - no-one appears to be watching.
This was fun.

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Re: Squads for European Team Championships

Post by Jonathan Rogers » Tue Oct 31, 2017 8:24 pm

I wouldn't be quite as critical as John, because I can see why David might have thought that he could hardly lose from the position after 48 Nxa5. To me, the position then looks good rather than quite unclear, though the latter did turn out to be the better assessment. Also because we already knew (well, before the event even started, in many cases) that we are not medal contenders, and that whether we finish even in the top ten will likely come down to how well we play the last two matches, not to how well we do in round four. Further, taking the match as a whole (we were never better on one, probably lost on 2 and much worse on 4) we can hardly complain about a draw. Their unexpected result on 3 fir then was surely not a bigger swing than our win on 2, in other words.

But following England at chess does often remind me of the 1980s BBC comedy Ever Decreasing Circles. Even when it seems that the gods are smiling on us, something or other seems to happen, and after our bright moments in Baku last year, we are in danger of returning to the situation where we just don't beat anyone remotely close to our own strength.

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Re: Squads for European Team Championships

Post by Alex Holowczak » Tue Oct 31, 2017 10:26 pm

Jonathan Rogers wrote:
Tue Oct 31, 2017 8:24 pm
Also because we already knew (well, before the event even started, in many cases) that we are not medal contenders
You realise we were seeded 4 at the start of the tournament, right; just 1 point behind the average squad rating of the team seeded 3?

Now I come to look at the standings, I see we're ahead of the team seeded 3 now.

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Re: Squads for European Team Championships

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Tue Oct 31, 2017 10:30 pm

Given that Armenia (2nd seeds) are currently 14th, and that Russia lost today to Hungary, it is clear that seedings don't mean too much at the moment, though maybe it will all come out in the wash by the end of the tournament.