Candidates Tournament in Berlin March 2018

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Re: Candidates Tournament in Berlin March 2018

Post by Mick Norris » Sun Oct 15, 2017 11:05 am

Mick Norris wrote:Interesting mention of Kramnik & Karpov

I'm assuming January Karjakin will play at Wijk aan Zee
and surprised to see Kramnik will, as he usually avoids it

Candidates now looks like Karjakin; Aronian & Ding (WC); Caruana & So (rating) for certain

Next month the GP finishes in Mallorca, which will add 2 of Shak, Grischuk, Radjabov & MVL

Then the wild card finishes the line up
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Re: Candidates Tournament in Berlin March 2018

Post by JustinHorton » Mon Oct 30, 2017 7:57 am

It's Kramnik
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Re: Candidates Tournament in Berlin March 2018

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Mon Oct 30, 2017 1:03 pm

His sitting out the current team event was a bit of a clue there, perhaps. Hard to argue it isn't pretty deserved though.
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Re: Candidates Tournament in Berlin March 2018

Post by JustinHorton » Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:44 pm

So how does Palma work for MVL? I think if he wins, he's through, or if he's second, but if he's joint second (that's with just one other) he'd have to finish above Radjabov as well as have a better tiebreak than Grischuk. Somebody else can work that one out.

Radjabov for his part is home if he finishes in the top three, or joint third with one other. Anything else may involve complications.

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Re: Candidates Tournament in Berlin March 2018

Post by IanCalvert » Mon Oct 30, 2017 4:03 pm

Did FIDE choose Vlad because he made Berlin famous ??

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Re: Candidates Tournament in Berlin March 2018

Post by Mick Norris » Mon Oct 30, 2017 6:11 pm

JustinHorton wrote:
Mon Oct 30, 2017 7:57 am
It's Kramnik
Good news :D
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Re: Candidates Tournament in Berlin March 2018

Post by Mick Norris » Mon Oct 30, 2017 6:11 pm

JustinHorton wrote:
Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:44 pm
So how does Palma work for MVL? I think if he wins, he's through, or if he's second, but if he's joint second (that's with just one other) he'd have to finish above Radjabov as well as have a better tiebreak than Grischuk. Somebody else can work that one out.
As posted upthread, I understand he needs clear 2nd, or better

Radjabov needs clear 3rd or better
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Re: Candidates Tournament in Berlin March 2018

Post by JustinHorton » Mon Oct 30, 2017 6:19 pm

I assume from that that the tiebreak is in Grischuk's favour
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Re: Candidates Tournament in Berlin March 2018

Post by Paul Cooksey » Mon Oct 30, 2017 6:26 pm

I think Macauley Peterson explained it quite well:

http://en.chessbase.com/post/the-road-t ... dates-2018

game points can be relevant as well as position

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Re: Candidates Tournament in Berlin March 2018

Post by JustinHorton » Mon Oct 30, 2017 6:35 pm

Bit out of date that, useful though it still is. I used the Wikipedia page on the Grand Prix, though quailed at counting up the game points (if you look at it on a smartphone you'll probably sympathise).
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Re: Candidates Tournament in Berlin March 2018

Post by JustinHorton » Tue Oct 31, 2017 6:02 am

Mick Norris wrote:
Mon Oct 30, 2017 6:11 pm

Radjabov needs clear 3rd or better
OK I've looked and looked and I don't see why joint 3-4 doesn't give him 100 points for a total of 341 3/7, overtaking Mamedyarov and Grischuk and permitting only MVL (and an irrelevant Ding) to get past him.
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Re: Candidates Tournament in Berlin March 2018

Post by Mick Norris » Tue Oct 31, 2017 7:47 am

JustinHorton wrote:
Tue Oct 31, 2017 6:02 am
Mick Norris wrote:
Mon Oct 30, 2017 6:11 pm

Radjabov needs clear 3rd or better
OK I've looked and looked and I don't see why joint 3-4 doesn't give him 100 points for a total of 341 3/7, overtaking Mamedyarov and Grischuk and permitting only MVL (and an irrelevant Ding) to get past him.
Looking at the maths (bearing in mind I'm older since yesterday's birthday and still mentally unpacking in the new house :oops: ), I think you are right that joint 3rd with 1 other would do for Radjabov

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Re: Candidates Tournament in Berlin March 2018

Post by Chris Rice » Tue Oct 31, 2017 8:01 am

Article from Peter Doggers on Kramnik's wild card. Kramnik acknowledges that this is likely to be his last chance at the World Championship. Wesley So obviously saw this article as on his FB page he says "They say I have made it to The Candidates. Anyway, I see my name on this list... This is a very big deal and if it is really true (FIDE has not yet spoken so I don't want to break my heart by rejoicing yet) then all I can say is "Thank you Lord"."

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Re: Candidates Tournament in Berlin March 2018

Post by JustinHorton » Tue Oct 31, 2017 9:58 am

When Kramnik says "it looks like it's going to be the strongest Candidates' Tournament ever"....

1. do we think that's so?
2. do we think that's so even assuming MVL makes it?
3. do we think that's so if we include Candidates match-series?
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Re: Candidates Tournament in Berlin March 2018

Post by IM Jack Rudd » Tue Oct 31, 2017 10:10 am

I'd go for the one Carlsen won a few years ago as probably the strongest.

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