London Chess Classic 2017

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Re: London Chess Classic 2017

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Sun Dec 10, 2017 5:41 pm

From clearly better at move 30 to totally lost at move 40 :shock:
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Re: London Chess Classic 2017

Post by JustinHorton » Sun Dec 10, 2017 5:44 pm

Does that put MVL back in the lead in the Tour?
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Re: London Chess Classic 2017

Post by Nick Ivell » Sun Dec 10, 2017 5:49 pm

A load of old garbage from Magnus but I do feel sorry for him. He must be more under the weather than we thought.

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Re: London Chess Classic 2017

Post by NickFaulks » Sun Dec 10, 2017 5:54 pm

Nick Ivell wrote:
Sun Dec 10, 2017 5:49 pm
A load of old garbage from Magnus but I do feel sorry for him. He must be more under the weather than we thought.
Yeah, right.

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Re: London Chess Classic 2017

Post by Mick Norris » Sun Dec 10, 2017 6:53 pm

Interesting change for next year Press release
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Re: London Chess Classic 2017

Post by MJMcCready » Sun Dec 10, 2017 7:27 pm

I can't say Carlsen's choice of opening was particularly inspiring.
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Re: London Chess Classic 2017

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:34 pm

MJMcCready wrote:
Sun Dec 10, 2017 7:27 pm
I can't say Carlsen's choice of opening was particularly inspiring.
But its the sort of setup where he has often outplayed his opponents in the past, when in form.

(indeed, he went some way towards doing that today - only to mess it up in very un-Magnus fashion)
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Re: London Chess Classic 2017

Post by Roger de Coverly » Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:36 pm

Mick Norris wrote:
Sun Dec 10, 2017 6:53 pm
Interesting change for next year
press release wrote: Each match in London will consist of classical, rapid and blitz games. A play-off for 3rd and 4th will also be played.
That's just 4 players then. Depending on the match length and rest days, that can be spun out over the 8-10 days usually allotted.

It's only going to be a matter of a week or two/three after the Agon World Championship match, scheduled for London in November 2018.

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Re: London Chess Classic 2017

Post by NickFaulks » Sun Dec 10, 2017 9:38 pm

Mick Norris wrote:
Sun Dec 10, 2017 6:53 pm
Interesting change for next year Press release
"The rest of the tour roster will be selected on the basis of URS ratings at January 1, 2018 and average classical FIDE ratings in 2017."

Whatever you think of URS ratings, what is the point of averaging FIDE ratings?

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Re: London Chess Classic 2017

Post by David Robertson » Sun Dec 10, 2017 9:48 pm

Nick Ivell wrote:
Sun Dec 10, 2017 5:49 pm
A load of old garbage from Magnus but I do feel sorry for him. He must be more under the weather than we thought.
My view? And my view for the past couple of years or more: Carlsen is bored.

He's bored with chess, with playing it, with playing the same guys down the same lines. He's bored with the effort of endless prep to meet players engaged in endless prep. The game rewards him well; makes him famous; and comes easily to him. He can't explain why he became so good so young. But that's then; passed. And now it's boring, boring. And by the standards set by obsessives, he is lazy.

Evidence? I thought it first when he punted the Ponziani (v. Harikrishna, Tata 2013). Since then, there have been several occasions when I felt his choice of opening had displayed, not arrogance, but frivolity - a search for something 'fresh'; that is, fresh to the jaded palate, not fresh to outwit an opponent's prep (though that could feature too).

Frankly, it would come as small surprise to me if Carlsen announced he was jacking it in. That's my gut reading. I think it's unlikely, rationally, because the rewards remain large. But if he loses No. 1 status (if not yet WC status ), why carry on as No. 2 or worse?

As I say, he looks and plays 'bored'. So good so young. Now bored

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Re: London Chess Classic 2017

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Sun Dec 10, 2017 9:58 pm

He's not going to retire as long as he is WC, for sure (and I think that actually matters more to him than being rated number 1)

But yes, I will be surprised if he even goes on as long as Gazza did.

And let's not forget that he has discovered women now......
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Re: London Chess Classic 2017

Post by Kevin Thurlow » Sun Dec 10, 2017 10:02 pm

"Carlsen is bored."

You may be right. I saw Carlsen play at Gausdal a few years ago and he lost unexpectedly horribly in one game, where most of us would be kicking the wall for the next few hours. Ten minutes later he was playing table tennis with his mates and looking quite happy. It gave the impression he wasn't that bothered, but of course, it might be his way of dealing with losses.

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Re: London Chess Classic 2017

Post by LawrenceCooper » Sun Dec 10, 2017 10:19 pm

On the other hand, had he won today it might have looked like business as usual. I suspect it was pure frustration (possibly at the tournament as a whole) and being unwilling to accept the game had turned that led to his position meltdown. I'm thankful that he is so desperate to try to win as it makes for a more interesting tournament.

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Re: London Chess Classic 2017

Post by JustinHorton » Mon Dec 11, 2017 7:00 am

It's not the first time he's basically chucked a game away in frustration rather than reconcile himself to having squandered an advantage.

Nepo v MVL to be drawn at an early stage today, leaving Caruana to try and beat Mickey to catch up at the top?
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Re: London Chess Classic 2017

Post by JustinHorton » Mon Dec 11, 2017 12:41 pm

....and so it came to pass...
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