London Chess Classic 2017

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Re: London Chess Classic 2017

Post by John Moore » Sat Dec 02, 2017 5:35 pm

Been looking at the games in the Open. Nice pairing Coleman Hawkins for those who collect pairings - for those who don't, he was a jazz saxophonist.
Had to turn off Charlie Nettleton's game. I know that it's possible to go a3 on move 2 against the Sicilian and follow up with Rb1 and b4 but I am not at all clear what's the purpose of 8 Na4 when White is already significantly worse.

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Re: London Chess Classic 2017

Post by Michael Yeo » Sat Dec 02, 2017 6:27 pm

NickFaulks wrote:
Sat Dec 02, 2017 5:05 pm
Remarkable play by Luke, even given the time control.
Not really. I analysed this line out to a draw 5 years ago (with colours reversed: 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4.Nc3 Nf6 5 Nd5!? etc). I suspect both players are still in their preparation (at move 15) as it is still following Motylev - Radjabov 2010.

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Re: London Chess Classic 2017

Post by NickFaulks » Sat Dec 02, 2017 6:31 pm

Michael Yeo wrote:
Sat Dec 02, 2017 6:27 pm
NickFaulks wrote:
Sat Dec 02, 2017 5:05 pm
Remarkable play by Luke, even given the time control.
Not really. I analysed this line out to a draw 5 years ago (with colours reversed: 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4 Nd5!? etc). I suspect both players are still in their preparation (at move 15) as it is still following Motylev - Radjabov 2010.
Yes, since posting I found that game too. Also, Mickey went down the same line only a few weeks ago, and he's not noted for taking major risks. Short's 16th move looks like a draw offer.
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Re: London Chess Classic 2017

Post by David Gilbert » Sat Dec 02, 2017 6:47 pm

John Moore wrote:
Sat Dec 02, 2017 5:35 pm
Been looking at the games in the Open. Nice pairing Coleman Hawkins for those who collect pairings - for those who don't, he was a jazz saxophonist.
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Re: London Chess Classic 2017

Post by LawrenceCooper » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:33 pm

Alex Holowczak wrote:
Sat Dec 02, 2017 5:08 pm
At the start of Round 1 today in the FIDE Open, Malcolm addressed the Hall and confirmed that despite the earlier question marks, the London Chess Classic will indeed take place again in 2018.
Excellent news :D

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Re: London Chess Classic 2017

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Re: London Chess Classic 2017

Post by Nigel Short » Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:35 pm

NickFaulks wrote:
Sat Dec 02, 2017 6:31 pm
Michael Yeo wrote:
Sat Dec 02, 2017 6:27 pm
NickFaulks wrote:
Sat Dec 02, 2017 5:05 pm
Remarkable play by Luke, even given the time control.
Not really. I analysed this line out to a draw 5 years ago (with colours reversed: 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4 Nd5!? etc). I suspect both players are still in their preparation (at move 15) as it is still following Motylev - Radjabov 2010.
Yes, since posting I found that game too. Also, Mickey went down the same line only a few weeks ago, and he's not noted for taking major risks. Short's 16th move looks like a draw offer.

And what would you recommend if not 16.Kg2?

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Re: London Chess Classic 2017

Post by NickFaulks » Sun Dec 03, 2017 11:21 am

Nigel Short wrote:
Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:35 pm
And what would you recommend if not 16.Kg2?
Well, Motylev played 16.Kh1 and the game went on, but Black was the one who might have got the better of it. Superficially, 16.c3 is a try, but it probably isn't. Anyway, Nigel presumably knew all this and more.

A fascinating line which I had never seen until yesterday, and Short - McShane appears to have put it to bed. Both players have very watchable styles and I'm looking forward to the return game.
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Re: London Chess Classic 2017

Post by LawrenceCooper » Sun Dec 03, 2017 5:32 pm

Both semi-finals tied at 2-2 albeit Luke may live to regret not converting the fourth game, the mate in 4 beginning with Qf6+ on move 43 the most clearcut.

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Re: London Chess Classic 2017

Post by Tim Harding » Sun Dec 03, 2017 5:34 pm

LawrenceCooper wrote:
Sun Dec 03, 2017 5:32 pm
Both semi-finals tied at 2-2 albeit Luke may live to regret not converting the fourth game, the mate in 4 beginning with Qf6+ on move 43 the most clearcut.
What about the mate in 2 starting 42 Rf6+
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Re: London Chess Classic 2017

Post by LawrenceCooper » Sun Dec 03, 2017 5:38 pm

Tim Harding wrote:
Sun Dec 03, 2017 5:34 pm
LawrenceCooper wrote:
Sun Dec 03, 2017 5:32 pm
Both semi-finals tied at 2-2 albeit Luke may live to regret not converting the fourth game, the mate in 4 beginning with Qf6+ on move 43 the most clearcut.
What about the mate in 2 starting 42 Rf6+
Nah, much harder :oops:

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Re: London Chess Classic 2017

Post by Tim Harding » Sun Dec 03, 2017 5:48 pm

McShane wins the Armageddon anyway or he would have had a sleepless night.
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Re: London Chess Classic 2017

Post by LawrenceCooper » Sun Dec 03, 2017 5:53 pm

Tim Harding wrote:
Sun Dec 03, 2017 5:48 pm
McShane wins the Armageddon anyway or he would have had a sleepless night.
David also won.

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Re: London Chess Classic 2017

Post by Tim Harding » Sun Dec 03, 2017 5:54 pm

Maybe 6 minutes versus 4 (instead of the old 5) is too much advantage for White in Armageddon?
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Re: London Chess Classic 2017

Post by LawrenceCooper » Sun Dec 03, 2017 6:06 pm

Tim Harding wrote:
Sun Dec 03, 2017 5:54 pm
Maybe 6 minutes versus 4 (instead of the old 5) is too much advantage for White in Armageddon?
Possibly, although it looked like we were going to get a win for white and a win for black until black went astray in the Howell-Sadler game.

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