How can you say this!! We've had politics laced with intrigue and corruption. Now we've got a mystery. All we need is a sex scandal, and Ch.4 will be bidding for the film rightsAlex Holowczak wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 2:14 pmBut you must admit, much more interesting than the first 20 pages or so of discussion.Graham Borrowdale wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 1:03 pmSorry, what is a D.J.? I doubt it means someone who plays records.These private discussions are becoming less and less accessible for most of us.
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In which Peter Capaldi plays Malcolm (again), but who plays Nigel?David Robertson wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 2:40 pmHow can you say this!! We've had politics laced with intrigue and corruption. Now we've got a mystery. All we need is a sex scandal, and Ch.4 will be bidding for the film rightsAlex Holowczak wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 2:14 pmBut you must admit, much more interesting than the first 20 pages or so of discussion.Graham Borrowdale wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 1:03 pmSorry, what is a D.J.? I doubt it means someone who plays records.These private discussions are becoming less and less accessible for most of us.
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The late Warren Clarke could have done it
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I'm surprised. I know Short is a protest vote. But I would have thought Dvorkovich would be favourite. Unless there is more money behind Makro than there has been in the past.NickFaulks wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 10:33 amI assume the advice Malcolm received was that the establishment ticket was going to win, so if he wanted to make a difference that was the one to be on. Not a difficult call to make.
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Alex McFarlane wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 12:31 pmI would have thought that the adviser might be more of a D.J.
Someone well acquainted with the inner workings of FIDE and would certainly strike the right notes.
Alex and Roger are referring to David Jarrett.Roger de Coverly wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 1:38 pmI would suspect a reference to a former FIDE Executive Director.
That is possible but unlikely in my view.
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It was an "absentee meeting" (which I presume means online) of the RCF Supervisory Board. It took place over two days, yesterday and today.Mick Norris wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 11:23 amAm I correct that the Russian Chess Federation was meeting yesterday to decide formally who to nominate/support?
They voted 22-2 to support Dvorkovich rather than Ilyumzhinov.
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Back in 2010, there was at least one meeting of the Russian chess federation which voted to support Karpov. That apparently was not the required answer, so the meeting was deemed not to have taken place or to have been illegal.David Sedgwick wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:24 pmThey voted 22-2 to support Dvorkovich rather than Ilyumzhinov.
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Many of those now campaigning for the removal of Kirsan have to answer as to why they didn't support his removal in 2006,2010 or 2014.2010 wrote: Last month the presidential aide Arkady Dvorkovich announced that the Kremlin was backing the incumbent for re-election. Russia's chess federation threw its support behind Karpov.
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Presumably because he was not then on the blacklist. Even if not in all cases the whole truth, that is an adequate answer.Roger de Coverly wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:55 pmMany of those now campaigning for the removal of Kirsan have to answer as to why they didn't support his removal in 2006,2010 or 2014.
My own additional answer, which I also believe to be quite adequate. is that on all three of those occasions the opposition campaigns had shown them to be entirely unsuitable.
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Had it been an ECF style election, Kirsan v "none of the above", who would you support?NickFaulks wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 10:32 pmMy own additional answer, which I also believe to be quite adequate. is that on all three of those occasions the opposition campaigns had shown them to be entirely unsuitable.
To the extent that being FIDE President could work as a prestige or ceremonial position, rather than administrative, just why are former world chess champions "unsuitable" against a post Soviet oligarch with a dubious reputation?
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In 2006, 2010 and 2014 Kirsan was a better choice than "none of the above". When Washington struck he should have done the right thing and resigned with grace.Roger de Coverly wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 10:58 pmHad it been an ECF style election, Kirsan v "none of the above", who would you support?
2018 is different. I am unhappy that the Americans have given themselves the power to blackball the leaders of all international organisations, even those of no strategic significance, without the need to show any evidence of malfeasance. However, until such time as the world rebels against this tyranny, it is clear that it would be better for the post of President to be vacant.
This could go on for many pages, so I shall present just one anecdote.To the extent that being FIDE President could work as a prestige or ceremonial position, rather than administrative, just why are former world chess champions "unsuitable" against a post Soviet oligarch with a dubious reputation?
In 2010 I attended a Subzonal in Nassau and had the opportunity of a lengthy chat with Karpov, who was these seeking support for their campaign. I asked him about their plan to close down the Elista office and transfer the management of the FIDE rating system to the French federation. I said this was a complicated procedure and he accepted without demur that there would probably be a period of six months during which full rating lists would not be published. He had been told that it should be possible to maintain the ratings of the top 100 during this hiatus.
I tried to explain that this would not work, and that in any case players below 2600 took their ratings very seriously. He was surprised by this and I did not get the impression that he believed me.
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You think Kirsan cared about "average players"? Not someone who has ever had a rating and his toxic legacy of zero default times lives on, being present in the Asian Team Championships.NickFaulks wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 11:41 pm. I said this was a complicated procedure and he accepted without demur that there would probably be a period of six months during which full rating lists would not be published. He had been told that it should be possible to maintain the ratings of the top 100 during this hiatus.
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Well, at least he didn't have any of us shot. By Kirsan's standards that probably does constitute as 'caring about average players'.
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The risk of pointing out the flaws in someone else's pre-determined choice of candidate, is the eruption of 'whataboutism' that will invariably follow. This was particularly noticeable in Tromso, where anyone who pointed out that Kirsan's promises of millions for chess were without foundation, were met with 'what about Sinquefeld, how do we know if his promises can be met?'
A better guide for me would is the past actions of a candidate and his team, which of course reflects very poorly on the Makro ticket.
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I had decided that I wouldn't bother to make that point ( again ), but you are absolutely right. I believe my Karpov story is pretty devastating, but on this forum it was obviously only going to be met with the usual outrage about having to get to a sporting event in time for the start.shaunpress wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 8:56 amThe risk of pointing out the flaws in someone else's pre-determined choice of candidate, is the eruption of 'whataboutism' that will invariably follow.
I don't think that is true, because I don't remember hearing Rex Sinquefield say anything. I was listening hard and would have believed him. The problem was that we only heard promises from Kasparov's mouth, and anyone with past dealings with him had indeed formed an opinion on their value.This was particularly noticeable in Tromso, where anyone who pointed out that Kirsan's promises of millions for chess were without foundation, were met with 'what about Sinquefeld, how do we know if his promises can be met?
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Who do you think is going to win the election?shaunpress wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 8:56 amThe risk of pointing out the flaws in someone else's pre-determined choice of candidate, is the eruption of 'whataboutism' that will invariably follow. This was particularly noticeable in Tromso, where anyone who pointed out that Kirsan's promises of millions for chess were without foundation, were met with 'what about Sinquefeld, how do we know if his promises can be met?'
A better guide for me would is the past actions of a candidate and his team, which of course reflects very poorly on the Makro ticket.
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