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Re: Which Candidate Should the ECF Support in the FIDE Presidential Election?
Posted: Wed May 23, 2018 10:30 pm
by Matt Mackenzie
Carl Hibbard wrote: ↑Wed May 23, 2018 8:24 pm
Mick Norris wrote: ↑Wed May 23, 2018 12:17 pm
The poll on here is who should the ECF support, and my view is that None of the above is appropriate as none of the 3 candidates is suitable; I think an equally valid view if you do think 1 or more candidate is suitable, is that the ECF shouldn't support anyone publicly, as they will be choosing between Nigel & Malcolm, and a public support of either isn't desirable
I don't see that happening.
Which might be a shame.
Re: Which Candidate Should the ECF Support in the FIDE Presidential Election?
Posted: Thu May 24, 2018 3:43 pm
by Nick Burrows
Re: Which Candidate Should the ECF Support in the FIDE Presidential Election?
Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 1:12 am
by Chris Rice
David Robertson wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 9:24 pm
Overruled. Overruled. By pluckily he stuck in there. Ah yes, such integrity. Such dedication to financial probity that he stuck it out. A real FIDE trooper! Frankly, an empty crisp packet could do a better job as Treasurer
After the latest
letter from the FIDE Treasurer dated 24 May 2018 I am persuaded by David's view above. The
financial questions tweeted by Nigel Short are again perfectly reasonable and are simply an attempt to drill down and find the chronological order of things and who agreed what, when and where. If the transfer of funds has been done correctly, meetings minuted noting when decisions were made, then the answers should be routine. Given the significance of moving all of FIDE's funds in such a manner I can see no reason why the Treasurer has to respond with such insults rather than just answering what was asked. His attitude is that he should be above reproach and that we should trust him at his word. Different kind of scale and circumstances of course but not being forceful enough with questioning and blindly trusting people did lead to some major financial scandals eg Barings, Madoff etc and one would have expected a Treasurer in a global organisation to be able to conduct himself better than this.
Re: Which Candidate Should the ECF Support in the FIDE Presidential Election?
Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 7:15 am
by JustinHorton
We are
urged to pursue "a clean-up of this organisation".
Re: Which Candidate Should the ECF Support in the FIDE Presidential Election?
Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 8:40 am
by Matthew Turner
To return to the question of the thread, in normal circumstances surely the answer would be quite easy.
Vote for Nigel in Round 1 and then Makro in Round 2 if it gets that far. That sends a signal that you want to see a more transparent organisation, but your vote counts.
Re: Which Candidate Should the ECF Support in the FIDE Presidential Election?
Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 10:22 am
by Roger de Coverly
It's suggested that
to encourage the ECF to summon up their courage. Contact ECF President Dominic Lawson and International Director Malcolm Pein to express your support
I would imagine a sympathetic hearing from the former and a hostile one from the latter. But was the Spectator writer aware that before Nigel's announcement the FIDE Delegate was attempting to jump on a Makro ticket and presumably trying to take the ECF's vote with him?
Re: Which Candidate Should the ECF Support in the FIDE Presidential Election?
Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 10:59 am
by NickFaulks
Roger de Coverly wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 10:22 am
I would imagine a sympathetic hearing from the former
I would find that very surprising.
Re: Which Candidate Should the ECF Support in the FIDE Presidential Election?
Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 11:01 am
by Angus French
Chris Rice wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 1:12 am
David Robertson wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 9:24 pm
Overruled. Overruled. By pluckily he stuck in there. Ah yes, such integrity. Such dedication to financial probity that he stuck it out. A real FIDE trooper! Frankly, an empty crisp packet could do a better job as Treasurer
After the latest
letter from the FIDE Treasurer dated 24 May 2018 I am persuaded by David's view above. The
financial questions tweeted by Nigel Short are again perfectly reasonable and are simply an attempt to drill down and find the chronological order of things and who agreed what, when and where. If the transfer of funds has been done correctly, meetings minuted noting when decisions were made, then the answers should be routine. Given the significance of moving all of FIDE's funds in such a manner I can see no reason why the Treasurer has to respond with such insults rather than just answering what was asked. His attitude is that he should be above reproach and that we should trust him at his word. Different kind of scale and circumstances of course but not being forceful enough with questioning and blindly trusting people did lead to some major financial scandals eg Barings, Madoff etc and one would have expected a Treasurer in a global organisation to be able to conduct himself better than this.
FIDE's assets are small - at the end of 2016 they stood at 1,149,945 Euros, not "millions". We know that FIDE's lawyers carried out due diligence on the trust organisations. I don't think there's any big issue here. Of greater concern might be FIDE's ability to receive and make payments in the short term (until banking services are resumed). I would guess that Dr Siegel views Short as an irritating twit on a fishing expedition. I would further guess that Short's campaign won't have gone down well with members of the General Assembly (those who vote in FIDE elections).
Re: Which Candidate Should the ECF Support in the FIDE Presidential Election?
Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 2:36 pm
by Jon Tait
I voted for "None of the Above", but on further reflection... if Boris Johnson can be Foreign Secretary, Nigel Short can be FIDE President. I doubt we'll look much more ridiculous than we already do.
Re: Which Candidate Should the ECF Support in the FIDE Presidential Election?
Posted: Sat May 26, 2018 2:10 pm
by Chris Rice
Leonard supporting Nigel with a
piece in the Guardian. What struck me though was: "Makropoulos’s No 2 will be Malcolm Pein, the English Chess Federation’s international director". Is this definite then? I had thought his current position was that he didn't want to be disturbed on anything until after the Champions League final tonight. I checked his twitter feed but didn't see anything recent. Not a complete waste of time though as I thought
this post was quite funny.
Re: Which Candidate Should the ECF Support in the FIDE Presidential Election?
Posted: Sat May 26, 2018 2:33 pm
by NickFaulks
Chris Rice wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 2:10 pm
Leonard supporting Nigel with a
piece in the Guardian.
Leonard may well support Nigel, but that cannot be gleaned from this article.
Re: Which Candidate Should the ECF Support in the FIDE Presidential Election?
Posted: Sat May 26, 2018 3:03 pm
by Chris Rice
NickFaulks wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 2:33 pm
Chris Rice wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 2:10 pm
Leonard supporting Nigel with a
piece in the Guardian.
Leonard may well support Nigel, but that cannot be gleaned from this article.
Fair comment.
Re: Which Candidate Should the ECF Support in the FIDE Presidential Election?
Posted: Wed May 30, 2018 9:18 pm
by Roger de Coverly
The latest is that FIDE, or perhaps just the anti-Kirsan faction, are trying to set the Ethics Commission loose on Kirsan.
http://www.fide.com/component/content/a ... ssion.html
Re: Which Candidate Should the ECF Support in the FIDE Presidential Election?
Posted: Wed May 30, 2018 11:02 pm
by NickFaulks
There is obviously plenty of material to present to Ethics, but I sometimes wish Makro would let it go. It looks too much like kicking a man when when he is down.
Re: Which Candidate Should the ECF Support in the FIDE Presidential Election?
Posted: Thu May 31, 2018 10:51 am
by Brian Towers
NickFaulks wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 11:02 pm
It looks too much like kicking a man when when he is down.
Spoken like a true English gentleman!
You wouldn't last long in a sporting competition with an Aussie. They understand that when your opponent is down is the time to kick them the hardest to make sure they don't get up again.
Seriously, Kirsan is standing for president. You can't be down and standing at the same time.