Batumi Olympiad
-
- Posts: 3496
- Joined: Mon Jul 06, 2009 1:36 pm
- Location: Under Cover
Re: Batumi Olympiad
Regarding the three fold rep discussion. This from Helen Milligan on Face Book 30th September.
Helen Milligan -Sarai Carolina Sanchez Castillo, Batumi Olympiad 2018 round 6
Arbiter tales (sigh).
So today I correctly claimed threefold repetition by writing Ra5 on my score sheet etc etc.
Guess what the first thing the arbiter said to me was, when I told him I was claiming....
"It depends on her move".
Reactions to this have varied! Anyway, I managed to get him to take us and the score sheets to the edge of the room
to a sector arbiter position, where we went through the game and I pointed out the 2 previous positions and the repetition.
My opponent was understandably trying not to agree - that's OK! The arbiter said 'I don't see it'. Clearly he is not aware
of threefold repetition rules...at a bare minimum... So I got the sector arbiter and asked for my captain to be present too.
Sector arbiter went through the whole game (again) and agreed instantly that it was threefold. Draw scored.
But only because I persisted with my claim in the face of incompetence.
How many young inexperienced players give up, and play on?
---
Here is the game:
Helen Milligan -Sarai Carolina Sanchez Castillo, Batumi Olympiad 2018 round 6
Arbiter tales (sigh).
So today I correctly claimed threefold repetition by writing Ra5 on my score sheet etc etc.
Guess what the first thing the arbiter said to me was, when I told him I was claiming....
"It depends on her move".
Reactions to this have varied! Anyway, I managed to get him to take us and the score sheets to the edge of the room
to a sector arbiter position, where we went through the game and I pointed out the 2 previous positions and the repetition.
My opponent was understandably trying not to agree - that's OK! The arbiter said 'I don't see it'. Clearly he is not aware
of threefold repetition rules...at a bare minimum... So I got the sector arbiter and asked for my captain to be present too.
Sector arbiter went through the whole game (again) and agreed instantly that it was threefold. Draw scored.
But only because I persisted with my claim in the face of incompetence.
How many young inexperienced players give up, and play on?
---
Here is the game:
-
- Posts: 1260
- Joined: Thu Apr 05, 2007 12:43 pm
- Location: Somerset
Re: Batumi Olympiad
I've heard the standard of arbiting at the Olympiad was in general pretty poor. Would be interested to know if that's true, or just certain incidents with certain arbiters.
-
- Posts: 21320
- Joined: Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:51 pm
Re: Batumi Olympiad
It was suggested by one or more of the campaigns for FIDE President that some Olympiad arbiter appointments were made for political reasons as part of the web of patronage built up by the FIDE establishment over the years. Even so, it says that the whole structure of licensing and arbiter norms isn't working if something basic like what constitutes repetition, known by most experienced players, is a mystery to an Olympiad arbiter.
-
- Posts: 5249
- Joined: Mon Apr 09, 2007 5:56 pm
- Location: Croydon
Re: Batumi Olympiad
For the last three Olympiads, the list of match arbiters was published at least a month before the event. This time it has still not been published.Roger de Coverly wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:37 amIt was suggested by one or more of the campaigns for FIDE President that some Olympiad arbiter appointments were made for political reasons as part of the web of patronage built up by the FIDE establishment over the years. Even so, it says that the whole structure of licensing and arbiter norms isn't working if something basic like what constitutes repetition, known by most experienced players, is a mystery to an Olympiad arbiter.
Unless and until it is, I find it very difficult to draw any general conclusions.
Good arbiters are perhaps needed most on the very lowest boards, and I think that the standard of arbiting there and on the higher boards was in general okay.
However, there are a fair number of horror stories relating to boards in percentiles 50 to 90. The prize goes to the arbiter who thought that the "75 move rule" required him to declare a draw if a game reached move 75.
Last edited by David Sedgwick on Tue Oct 09, 2018 12:43 am, edited 1 time in total.
-
- Posts: 5837
- Joined: Wed Apr 30, 2008 12:28 pm
Re: Batumi Olympiad
"The prize goes to the arbiter who thought that the "75 move rule" required hiim to declare a draw if a game reached move 75."
I did once encounter a player in a Minor section who played on a queen, rook and bishop down then claimed a draw as he had reached move 50, but quickly apologised and resigned when I explained the Law. For an arbiter to get it wrong is appalling.
I did once encounter a player in a Minor section who played on a queen, rook and bishop down then claimed a draw as he had reached move 50, but quickly apologised and resigned when I explained the Law. For an arbiter to get it wrong is appalling.
-
- Posts: 1266
- Joined: Tue Nov 18, 2014 7:23 pm
Re: Batumi Olympiad
This kind of thing kills me and was the reason I originally decided to become an arbiter.Geoff Chandler wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 3:21 amRegarding the three fold rep discussion. This from Helen Milligan on Face Book 30th September.
Helen Milligan -Sarai Carolina Sanchez Castillo, Batumi Olympiad 2018 round 6
Arbiter tales (sigh).
So today I correctly claimed threefold repetition by writing Ra5 on my score sheet etc etc.
Guess what the first thing the arbiter said to me was, when I told him I was claiming....
"It depends on her move".
Of course the first thing the arbiter should say should be to ask the opponent "Do you want to agree a draw in this position?" If the opponent is happy to agree a draw then there is no need for the arbiter to consider the claim.
FIDE Laws of Chess wrote:9.1.2.3 A claim of a draw under Article 9.2 or 9.3 shall be considered to be an offer of a draw.
Ah, but I was so much older then. I'm younger than that now.
-
- Posts: 369
- Joined: Thu Oct 15, 2009 9:58 am
- Location: Kingston-upon-Thames
Re: Batumi Olympiad
Without these fine people, the Batumi Olympiad would not have taken place. Is there a collective term for Arbiters?
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.
-
- Posts: 1732
- Joined: Sat Aug 14, 2010 12:15 pm
Re: Batumi Olympiad
According to this thread its an "incompetence"
-
- Posts: 1838
- Joined: Thu Dec 01, 2011 12:16 am
Re: Batumi Olympiad
Or is it a Nexus? Well done.
Can we have a vote or the players at least have a vote ranking of arbiters.
Excellent for referees in football association matches at a levels of the game.
Can we have a vote or the players at least have a vote ranking of arbiters.
Excellent for referees in football association matches at a levels of the game.
-
- Posts: 9085
- Joined: Sat May 30, 2009 5:18 pm
- Location: Oldbury, Worcestershire
Re: Batumi Olympiad
At the British Championships, we gave the players forms they could optionally fill in to "mark" the arbiters out of 5 in certain criteria. I didn't see the marks (deliberately), but I'm informed they all scored very well, and the most common question we got was "They do a great job, why have you asked us to do this?" Which was very nice, and the positive feedback was, in my opinion, a good reason to do it.
-
- Posts: 3418
- Joined: Thu Nov 08, 2012 5:17 am
Re: Batumi Olympiad
Clearly Wesley's got a lot to be thankful for as he says on FB:
"Thank you Lord for giving us the Silver Medal at the 2018 Batumi Olympiad. A great blessing because I personally know I should have played better than I did. Total Congratulations to China for Gold! You guys really deserved that. And Russia for the Bronze! Congratulations also to the Polish team who just missed the podium but played really excellently. Thank you to Go2Life bottled water for keeping me energized and hydrated wherever I go. Thank you to our Fide hosts and the wonderful city of Batumi Georgia which is beautiful and hospitable. A very memorable Olympiad also because we now have a new Fide President, Arkady Dvorkovich. Hopefully great things are just ahead for the world of chess. God has been so good to me."
Ummmm...did he really thank Go2Life for bottled water?
"Thank you Lord for giving us the Silver Medal at the 2018 Batumi Olympiad. A great blessing because I personally know I should have played better than I did. Total Congratulations to China for Gold! You guys really deserved that. And Russia for the Bronze! Congratulations also to the Polish team who just missed the podium but played really excellently. Thank you to Go2Life bottled water for keeping me energized and hydrated wherever I go. Thank you to our Fide hosts and the wonderful city of Batumi Georgia which is beautiful and hospitable. A very memorable Olympiad also because we now have a new Fide President, Arkady Dvorkovich. Hopefully great things are just ahead for the world of chess. God has been so good to me."
Ummmm...did he really thank Go2Life for bottled water?
-
- Posts: 21320
- Joined: Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:51 pm
Re: Batumi Olympiad
Post on 17 June
https://www.facebook.com/pg/wesleyso/posts/I want to thank the Norwegian makers of Go2Life water for sending me to Belgium with the gift of a suitcase filled with their bottled water - just because I told them how much I liked it!!! I really do! Who knows, maybe it helped me win! At the very least I was never dehydrated.
-
- Posts: 32
- Joined: Sun Jul 17, 2016 7:08 pm
Re: Batumi Olympiad
Harsh!
(from the Incompetent, second main row up, second in from the left.)
But there were the usual tales of some arbiters being useless/asleep/absent/etc.
Sad really, for the vast majority will have done a good job in quite challenging conditions.
-
- Posts: 3418
- Joined: Thu Nov 08, 2012 5:17 am
Re: Batumi Olympiad
20 minute recap of the Batumi Olympiad, many funny and shocking moments.
-
- Posts: 33
- Joined: Wed May 31, 2017 6:06 pm
Re: Batumi Olympiad
John, where can I find this photo?John Foley wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 6:58 pmWithout these fine people, the Batumi Olympiad would not have taken place. Is there a collective term for Arbiters?