Which Candidate Should the ECF Support in the FIDE Presidential Election? (Take 2)

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Which Candidate Should the ECF Support in the FIDE Presidential Election?

Poll ended at Mon Oct 01, 2018 8:05 am

Arkady Dvorkovich
5
11%
Georgios Makropoulos
9
20%
Nigel Short
22
48%
None of the Above
10
22%
 
Total votes: 46

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Re: Which Candidate Should the ECF Support in the FIDE Presidential Election? (Take 2)

Post by Chris Rice » Sat Sep 29, 2018 4:19 pm

Well they're at it again. Dvorkovich claims in an article FIDE versus National Federations? that Makro is trying to manipulate the election unfairly.

"Manipulating proxies, deceiving inexperienced federations, stretching the truth and intimidating - this is a trademark style of Mr. Makropoulos's team. We have decided to let you in the know of the most crying abuses."

The examples given are for Serbia, Slovenia and Laos. Of course there was the inevitable backlash. Ali Yazici, head of the Turkish Federation was first of the mark with:

"I’ve never seen such ridiculous diversion and distortion of truth! If you don’t know FIDE chess Electoral Regulations how you claim to manage world chess! You have problem to understand what you read? Dvorkovich team declares their incompetency for FIDE Leadership!"

Safe to say he is fully behind Makro who naturally commented as well:

"By "dream purchases" & applying enormous illegal pressure from embassies, they try to obtain dubious letters and blackmail FIDE delegates to surrender their vote. If any of these countries really wanted to support Dvorkovich, they would have simply changed their delegate on time."

Meanwhile, Τheodoros Tsorbatzoglou, the Secretary General of the European Chess Union, comments:

"Watching the presentation of Sylvia Schenk from anti corruption at the chess governance conference I was wondering if she was speaking in general or on the FIDE elections here. In any case this election could be the case study for her next lectures."

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Re: Which Candidate Should the ECF Support in the FIDE Presidential Election? (Take 2)

Post by NickFaulks » Sat Sep 29, 2018 5:03 pm

Chris Rice wrote:
Sat Sep 29, 2018 4:19 pm
Ali Yazici, head of the Turkish Federation
No he isn't, they booted him out a long time ago. Rather like Ignatius Leong, his precise role here is unclear.
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Re: Which Candidate Should the ECF Support in the FIDE Presidential Election? (Take 2)

Post by Chris Rice » Sat Sep 29, 2018 5:46 pm

NickFaulks wrote:
Sat Sep 29, 2018 5:03 pm
Chris Rice wrote:
Sat Sep 29, 2018 4:19 pm
Ali Yazici, head of the Turkish Federation
No he isn't, they booted him out a long time ago. Rather like Ignatius Leong, his precise role here is unclear.
OK, guess if its "Head of" rather than "President of" the Turkish Federation it must be an invented title as his Wiki page still describes him as the former.

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Re: Which Candidate Should the ECF Support in the FIDE Presidential Election? (Take 2)

Post by Roger de Coverly » Sat Sep 29, 2018 5:48 pm

NickFaulks wrote:
Sat Sep 29, 2018 5:03 pm
No he isn't, they booted him out a long time ago.
Or did he stand down of his own accord? His popularity among European federations is measured by his election result for ECU President in losing to Danailov.

https://chesslodge.blogspot.com/2010/09 ... ns-in.html

Turkish officials according to FIDE
https://ratings.fide.com/fide_directory ... R&list=926

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Re: Which Candidate Should the ECF Support in the FIDE Presidential Election? (Take 2)

Post by NickFaulks » Sat Sep 29, 2018 6:01 pm

Chris Rice wrote:
Sat Sep 29, 2018 5:46 pm
OK, guess if its "Head of" rather than "President of" the Turkish Federation it must be an invented title as his Wiki page still describes him as the former.
The charitable interpretation is that his Wiki page has not been updated for a while.
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Re: Which Candidate Should the ECF Support in the FIDE Presidential Election? (Take 2)

Post by JustinHorton » Sat Sep 29, 2018 6:06 pm

Roger de Coverly wrote:
Sat Sep 29, 2018 5:48 pm
NickFaulks wrote:
Sat Sep 29, 2018 5:03 pm
No he isn't, they booted him out a long time ago.
Or did he stand down of his own accord? His popularity among European federations is measured by his election result for ECU President in losing to Danailov.

https://chesslodge.blogspot.com/2010/09 ... ns-in.html
To be fair that was some time ago, when Danailov's reputation was in better nick than it is now.
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Re: Which Candidate Should the ECF Support in the FIDE Presidential Election? (Take 2)

Post by Chris Rice » Sat Sep 29, 2018 6:35 pm

NickFaulks wrote:
Sat Sep 29, 2018 6:01 pm
Chris Rice wrote:
Sat Sep 29, 2018 5:46 pm
OK, guess if its "Head of" rather than "President of" the Turkish Federation it must be an invented title as his Wiki page still describes him as the former.
The charitable interpretation is that his Wiki page has not been updated for a while.
If you scroll to the bottom of the page you can see it was updated on 15 September 2018.

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Re: Which Candidate Should the ECF Support in the FIDE Presidential Election? (Take 2)

Post by NickFaulks » Sat Sep 29, 2018 7:40 pm

Chris Rice wrote:
Sat Sep 29, 2018 6:35 pm
If you scroll to the bottom of the page you can see it was updated on 15 September 2018.
How does that work? There's no reference to anything he's done since 2001, and the latest article is from 2007.
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Re: Which Candidate Should the ECF Support in the FIDE Presidential Election? (Take 2)

Post by Ian Thompson » Sat Sep 29, 2018 8:05 pm

NickFaulks wrote:
Sat Sep 29, 2018 7:40 pm
Chris Rice wrote:
Sat Sep 29, 2018 6:35 pm
If you scroll to the bottom of the page you can see it was updated on 15 September 2018.
How does that work? There's no reference to anything he's done since 2001, and the latest article is from 2007.
You can look at the edit history:

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Re: Which Candidate Should the ECF Support in the FIDE Presidential Election? (Take 2)

Post by NickFaulks » Sat Sep 29, 2018 8:19 pm

Ian Thompson wrote:
Sat Sep 29, 2018 8:05 pm
You can look at the edit history
Thanks, still all a bit of a mystery to me. However, not to be outdone, I now show a translation of the final paragraph of his Turkish Wiki page.

"In December 2004, he was appointed Chairman of the Chess Committee at FIDE School. In the elections held on 26 December 2004, he was re-elected as President by the Ordinary General Assembly. He became a candidate for the presidential candidate Bessel Kok in the 2006 FIDE presidential election. With the elections in 2008, the Presidency extended the Presidency for another 4 years and did not enter into elections in 2012. Gülkız Tulay was elected as the first female President of the TSF."
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Re: Which Candidate Should the ECF Support in the FIDE Presidential Election? (Take 2)

Post by Chris Rice » Sun Sep 30, 2018 12:46 am

Malcolm attended the Governance Conference mentioned earlier and said that there had been a discussion on the One Country, One Vote system:

"Among great discussions at Governance in Chess roundtable today was whether to reform the FIDE chess "One Country, One Vote" system. My proposal was to offer 'paper'/struggling federations training & help to meet minimum standards before withdrawing voting rights."

He also proposed something on the make up of the FIDE Presidential Board:

"Also ... to increase transparency in FIDE ... I would advocate for one mandatory place for professional players on the Presidential Board, with a vote taken (for example) by the Association of Chess Professionals."

Then he proposed something I thought was already happening:

"Under FIDE Forward all FIDE chess fees, bids & salaries would be published on the internet. Today's debate on "One Country, One Vote" was certainly interesting, and getting all the leadership campaigns together around the table was a great way to get the ball rolling"

As I say I thought all bids to stage events was already covered on the FIDE site and the rest you could see when the annual accounts were published so I wondered what information Malcolm is referring to that is not being published at the moment? Meanwhile Nigel seems to have had a busy day pressing the flesh and even running into Malcolm's evil twin at one point:

"Very positive day meeting many federations. Darth Pein becoming more anxious by the minute."


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Re: Which Candidate Should the ECF Support in the FIDE Presidential Election? (Take 2)

Post by Roger de Coverly » Sun Sep 30, 2018 9:06 am

In the chessbase report we read
In order to maintain objectivity, the production of the conference was outsourced to the team that organises the London Chess Conference.
Why doesn't having the Conference run by an organisation strongly associated with one of the Candidates for Deputy President compromise its objectivity?

At least FIDE has moved away from the views expressed by the retiring President that all was perfect in FIDE governance.

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Re: Which Candidate Should the ECF Support in the FIDE Presidential Election? (Take 2)

Post by Chris Rice » Sun Sep 30, 2018 12:10 pm

Nigel:

"Exciting Development Commission meeting this morning. At some point the atmosphere became mutinous when it became pretty clear that no one - not even the FIDE Treasurer - knew exactly how the large budget had been spent."

I'm sure Dr Siegel will respond shortly in his usual calm manner...

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Re: Which Candidate Should the ECF Support in the FIDE Presidential Election? (Take 2)

Post by Roger de Coverly » Sun Sep 30, 2018 1:56 pm

http://www.fide.com/images/stories/NEWS ... ration.pdf

They seem to have found Serbia guilty of something untoward, but it's about the minimum sanction, namely that their delegate isn't allowed to participate in and vote at the current Congress.

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