Which Candidate Should the ECF Support in the FIDE Presidential Election? (Take 2)

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Which Candidate Should the ECF Support in the FIDE Presidential Election?

Poll ended at Mon Oct 01, 2018 8:05 am

Arkady Dvorkovich
5
11%
Georgios Makropoulos
9
20%
Nigel Short
22
48%
None of the Above
10
22%
 
Total votes: 46

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Re: Which Candidate Should the ECF Support in the FIDE Presidential Election? (Take 2)

Post by Chris Rice » Tue Sep 04, 2018 1:27 pm

The final list of delegates with voting rights has appeared on the FIDE site. It does look very odd that Malcolm Pein will effectively be voting against himself.

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Re: Which Candidate Should the ECF Support in the FIDE Presidential Election? (Take 2)

Post by David Robertson » Tue Sep 04, 2018 2:09 pm

Chris Rice wrote:
Tue Sep 04, 2018 1:27 pm
The final list of delegates with voting rights has appeared on the FIDE site. It does look very odd that Malcolm Pein will effectively be voting against himself
It's only when I see this list in cold print that the full horror strikes me. For the rest of the time, I assume it cannot be true; it cannot be serious that this egregious absurdity should flourish. Egregious absurdity? What else does one call a state of affairs in which the combined votes of Russia, China & the USA can be cancelled out by the combined votes of Jersey, Guernsey & Guam?

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Re: Which Candidate Should the ECF Support in the FIDE Presidential Election? (Take 2)

Post by NickFaulks » Tue Sep 04, 2018 2:39 pm

David Robertson wrote:
Tue Sep 04, 2018 2:09 pm
What else does one call a state of affairs in which the combined votes of Russia, China & the USA can be cancelled out by the combined votes of Jersey, Guernsey & Guam?
You could call it the way just about every international body does things, with some minor differences regarding which nations are historically members.

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Re: Which Candidate Should the ECF Support in the FIDE Presidential Election? (Take 2)

Post by Mick Norris » Tue Sep 04, 2018 2:39 pm

Interesting choice of countries beginning with G there, my eyes were drawn to
Guyana GUY Bond, James Anthony
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Re: Which Candidate Should the ECF Support in the FIDE Presidential Election? (Take 2)

Post by Roger de Coverly » Tue Sep 04, 2018 2:53 pm

NickFaulks wrote:
Tue Sep 04, 2018 2:39 pm
You could call it the way just about every international body does things
Not cricket though, Bermuda cannot call the shots on how Test matches are conducted.

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Re: Which Candidate Should the ECF Support in the FIDE Presidential Election? (Take 2)

Post by JustinHorton » Tue Sep 04, 2018 3:22 pm

However the present international organisation of cricket is itself pretty controversial.

Nick's basically right: like it or not, and there are reasons to do either, one-nation-one-vote is pretty standard.
Chris Rice wrote:
Tue Sep 04, 2018 1:27 pm
The final list of delegates with voting rights has appeared on the FIDE site. It does look very odd that Malcolm Pein will effectively be voting against himself.
Not enough attention has been paid to how strange this is. Has there been a similar case?
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Re: Which Candidate Should the ECF Support in the FIDE Presidential Election? (Take 2)

Post by Richard Bates » Tue Sep 04, 2018 5:00 pm

Wasn't aware the ECF had announced how their vote was to be cast? Only that they have nominated Nigel which isn't the same thing.

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Re: Which Candidate Should the ECF Support in the FIDE Presidential Election? (Take 2)

Post by Roger de Coverly » Tue Sep 04, 2018 5:14 pm

Richard Bates wrote:
Tue Sep 04, 2018 5:00 pm
Wasn't aware the ECF had announced how their vote was to be cast? Only that they have nominated Nigel which isn't the same thing.
The Yorkshire site archived what the ECF said.

http://mannchess.org.uk/YNotices/2018-0 ... ncy%20.htm
The ECF’s announcement on its website on 03/07/2018 noted that, “Regardless of its nomination [of Nigel Short], the Board will remain open-minded as to how the ECF’s vote is exercised in October.”

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Re: Which Candidate Should the ECF Support in the FIDE Presidential Election? (Take 2)

Post by Chris Rice » Thu Sep 06, 2018 6:24 pm

Looks like a pretty significant development Dvorkovich and Short standing side by side appear to be united:

"United in our belief that FIDE should support federations, and not federations support FIDE. United in our determination to bring transparency and the rule of law, and to root out cronyism and corruption."

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Re: Which Candidate Should the ECF Support in the FIDE Presidential Election? (Take 2)

Post by David Robertson » Thu Sep 06, 2018 10:55 pm

Chris Rice wrote:
Thu Sep 06, 2018 6:24 pm
Looks like a pretty significant development Dvorkovich and Short standing side by side appear to be united
It's very significant. They are united. They have the numbers between them. And they do intend to clean out the stables. Whether they can, remains to be seen. But unless there's another twist to come, Dvorkovich will be the new FIDE President in a few weeks time. Doubtless Nigel will have a role to play in the new order, along with some of his team. Let's hope he's familiar with the Russian proverb: first, you hug the bear; then the bear hugs you :)

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Re: Which Candidate Should the ECF Support in the FIDE Presidential Election? (Take 2)

Post by JustinHorton » Fri Sep 07, 2018 8:09 am

I think it's always the shamelessness that is most entertaining about these contests
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Re: Which Candidate Should the ECF Support in the FIDE Presidential Election? (Take 2)

Post by Richard Bates » Fri Sep 07, 2018 8:37 am

What’s the value of clean stables if you’ve sold the farm?

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Re: Which Candidate Should the ECF Support in the FIDE Presidential Election? (Take 2)

Post by JustinHorton » Fri Sep 07, 2018 9:25 am

The metaphors are also good
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Re: Which Candidate Should the ECF Support in the FIDE Presidential Election? (Take 2)

Post by Graham Borrowdale » Fri Sep 07, 2018 10:09 am

Richard Bates wrote:
Fri Sep 07, 2018 8:37 am
What’s the value of clean stables if you’ve sold the farm?
Because you might still want to ride the horses?

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Re: Which Candidate Should the ECF Support in the FIDE Presidential Election? (Take 2)

Post by David Robertson » Sat Sep 08, 2018 6:15 pm

Short and Dvorkovich release further wedding pics, at the same time reminding Makropoulos that it's 'game over'

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