Repercussions / Fallout from FIDE Elections?

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Re: Repercussions / Fallout from FIDE Elections?

Post by David Sedgwick » Mon Oct 15, 2018 9:22 am

JustinHorton wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:03 am
Some further thorts on this,
Is that an intentional or an unintentional pun?

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Re: Repercussions / Fallout from FIDE Elections?

Post by JustinHorton » Mon Oct 15, 2018 10:30 am

Unintentional, it's a Molesworth hommage.
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Re: Repercussions / Fallout from FIDE Elections?

Post by Chris Rice » Tue Oct 16, 2018 11:00 am

Roger Lancaster wrote:
Fri Oct 12, 2018 3:29 pm
"At the moment, we are working on fulfilling promises given before the elections" - A Dvorkovich, at above-mentioned Press conference.

Well, call me cynical if you like but it's good to know those promises weren't immediately forgotten following a successful election.
It was only yesterday I was thinking again about what a ridiculous process the women have regarding their World Ch cycle and wondering whether the new FIDE regime would do anything about it as they promised and today the following was announced.

FIDE President A. Dvorkovich via the FIDE Women's World Ch site on FB:

“We have started the discussion of the possibility to change the Women’s World Championship cycle. Now this title belongs to Ju Wenjun of China, she got it this spring. The next Women’s knock-out system tournament will be held in Khanty-Mansiysk in November. Either the same champion will remain or the new one will be announced.
Of course, such a frequent change of world champions does not give this cycle enough credibility and high profile. We promised and we will keep our promise to improve this cycle and to make it similar to Men’s World Championship Cycle. This could be done in 2-year period. I hope in the nearest few weeks we will be ready to announce the specific changed that will be made.
In any case, it will include the Candidate’s tournament and the Women’s World Championship Match. We will announce the exact dates and format a bit later. The forthcoming Women’s World Championship in Khanty-Mansiysk will be the beginning of this new cycle. The major decisions about it has already been taken”.

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Re: Repercussions / Fallout from FIDE Elections?

Post by Nick Burrows » Tue Oct 16, 2018 2:41 pm

Too right, the Women's Chess championship has been pitiful for many years. A proper candidates tournament will be high profile, a more rigorous test of skill and good for chess in general.

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Re: Repercussions / Fallout from FIDE Elections?

Post by Roger de Coverly » Tue Oct 16, 2018 3:11 pm

Nick Burrows wrote:
Tue Oct 16, 2018 2:41 pm
A proper candidates tournament will be high profile, a more rigorous test of skill and good for chess in general.
You could do top 4 from Women's World Cup, loser of the previous match and top three by rating not already champion or qualified. There would be a slight rule problem if the champion also played in the World Cup.

There may be a format problem with the Open Candidates as well, as there's nothing been announced about the Grand Prix series to determine some of the qualifiers.

If there was to be a women's Candidates, would it be good or bad to hold it alongside the Open Candidates?

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Re: Repercussions / Fallout from FIDE Elections?

Post by Chris Rice » Thu Oct 18, 2018 9:48 pm

General Assembly decisions from 3-5 October now published on the FIDE site. Highlights:

GA-2018/24. To approve the changes in the FIDE Electoral Regulations so that no person shall be elected as FIDE President for more than two terms and that votes by proxies are no longer authorised.

GA-2018/25. To approve the closing of the Moscow office.

GA-2018/27. To refer the matter of the Cote d’Ivoire Chess Federation to the Committee and the next Presidential Board meeting. (What's that about?)

GA-2018/30. To accept the proposal of the Icelandic Chess Federation to start to calculate Elo rating points for Fischer Random Chess (Chess 960).

GA-2018/55. To confirm that the 2022 Chess Olympiad and the 2021 World Chess Cup shall be organized in Minsk, Belarus.

GA-2018/57. To note that the FIDE President will provide a final decision on the organization of the 2018 World Rapid and Blitz Championships in Saudi Arabia, in November 2018. Given what's happened in the last few days with the missing journalist FIDE really need to make a statement quickly.

GA-2018/60. To award the organization of the World Senior Championship 2020 to Assisi, Italy.

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Re: Repercussions / Fallout from FIDE Elections?

Post by NickFaulks » Thu Oct 18, 2018 10:59 pm

Chris Rice wrote:
Thu Oct 18, 2018 9:48 pm
General Assembly decisions from 3-5 October
A large number of Commission reports were approved. In most cases there were not enough printed copies to go around, so delegates are waiting in a state of excitement to learn the nature of the proposals they approved.

The ECF still has some tricks to learn from Makro's handling of annual meetings, though they do seem to be catching on fast.

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Re: Repercussions / Fallout from FIDE Elections?

Post by Graham Borrowdale » Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:46 am

Please can I nominate Nick Faulks for cynic of the year award? Roger has had his day.

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Re: Repercussions / Fallout from FIDE Elections?

Post by JustinHorton » Fri Oct 19, 2018 10:33 am

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Re: Repercussions / Fallout from FIDE Elections?

Post by Alex Holowczak » Fri Oct 19, 2018 11:05 am

NickFaulks wrote:
Thu Oct 18, 2018 10:59 pm
In most cases there were not enough printed copies to go around, so delegates are waiting in a state of excitement to learn the nature of the proposals they approved.
I am struggling to think of any delegates whose state might be described as "excitement" at the prospect of FIDE publishing papers.

However, the FIDE Competition Rules have been published, and they appear to accurately reflect the changes that various people from the Anglosphere wanted on day 2 of the General Assembly: http://rules.fide.com/images/stories/FI ... _clean.pdf

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Re: Repercussions / Fallout from FIDE Elections?

Post by Roger de Coverly » Fri Oct 19, 2018 11:22 am

Alex Holowczak wrote:
Fri Oct 19, 2018 11:05 am

However, the FIDE Competition Rules have been published, and they appear to accurately reflect the changes that various people from the Anglosphere wanted on day 2 of the General Assembly
Swiss system rules will affect most people in practice
Unless the rules of a competition specify otherwise:
(3) In an L2 or L3 tournament: If, after the round has started, two players do not have a game, then they can be paired against each other. This is only allowed when the arbiter and both players agree and they have not already played in this tournament. The arbiter shall adjust the clock times in an equitable manner.
(4) In an L2 or L3 tournament the rules may permit a player to take a half point bye in a given round. It is only allowed once during the tournament, if adequate notice has been given and is agreed to by the arbiter. Such permission might not be granted to a player who receives conditions, or who has been given a free entry to the tournament.
With the magic words "unless the rules of a competition specify otherwise", can it be assumed that the practice of allowing more than one bye can continue? Also has the practice of compulsory re-pairing been legalised?

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Re: Repercussions / Fallout from FIDE Elections?

Post by Alex Holowczak » Fri Oct 19, 2018 11:34 am

Roger de Coverly wrote:
Fri Oct 19, 2018 11:22 am
Swiss system rules will affect most people in practice
Wrong Commission.
Roger de Coverly wrote:
Fri Oct 19, 2018 11:22 am
Unless the rules of a competition specify otherwise:
(3) In an L2 or L3 tournament: If, after the round has started, two players do not have a game, then they can be paired against each other. This is only allowed when the arbiter and both players agree and they have not already played in this tournament. The arbiter shall adjust the clock times in an equitable manner.
(4) In an L2 or L3 tournament the rules may permit a player to take a half point bye in a given round. It is only allowed once during the tournament, if adequate notice has been given and is agreed to by the arbiter. Such permission might not be granted to a player who receives conditions, or who has been given a free entry to the tournament.
With the magic words "unless the rules of a competition specify otherwise", can it be assumed that the practice of allowing more than one bye can continue? Also has the practice of compulsory re-pairing been legalised?
Yes, multiple byes can continue. That was the main addition that Andy Howie, the USCF President and one or two other Americans, Nick (briefly) and myself worked on getting added.

Compulsory re-pairing has not been legalised in (3). (Or has it? - see below)

By the way, 7.2 was originally going to apply to all team competitions, so it would have directly impacted on the 4NCL. After I argued against it, it is now restricted only to L1 events. That seemed to satisfy the front bench (who would appear to only arbit L1 events) and everyone else too.
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Re: Repercussions / Fallout from FIDE Elections?

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Re: Repercussions / Fallout from FIDE Elections?

Post by Roger de Coverly » Fri Oct 19, 2018 11:38 am

Alex Holowczak wrote:
Fri Oct 19, 2018 11:34 am
Compulsory re-pairing has not been legalised in (3).
If the default rule is optional re-pairing, why cannot the rules of the competition specify otherwise, compulsory re-pairing?

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Re: Repercussions / Fallout from FIDE Elections?

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