Repercussions / Fallout from FIDE Elections?

The very latest International round up of English news.
Peter Kirby
Posts: 7
Joined: Fri May 27, 2016 1:09 pm

Re: Repercussions / Fallout from FIDE Elections?

Post by Peter Kirby » Tue Nov 05, 2019 12:13 pm

See link... confirmed by Tass.

https://tass.com/sport/1086925

Kevin Thurlow
Posts: 3047
Joined: Wed Apr 30, 2008 12:28 pm

Re: Repercussions / Fallout from FIDE Elections?

Post by Kevin Thurlow » Tue Nov 05, 2019 6:49 pm

Er, aren't the venues some distance apart? Or do they mean they will play some rounds in one venue then go to the other...?

Alex Holowczak
Posts: 9004
Joined: Sat May 30, 2009 5:18 pm
Location: Oldbury, Worcestershire
Contact:

Re: Repercussions / Fallout from FIDE Elections?

Post by Alex Holowczak » Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:09 pm

Kevin Thurlow wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 6:49 pm
Er, aren't the venues some distance apart? Or do they mean they will play some rounds in one venue then go to the other...?
Originally, the report was the Olympiad would be in Moscow, and the Paralympiad would be in Khanty-Mansiysk.

And then, this happened: https://ruchess.ru/en/news/all/khanty_m ... piad_2020/

"The most ambitious and preferable variant is the one in which the Olympiad will get the opportunity to expand its geography. If in this case, the Olympiad will have two host cities, two capitals - Khanty-Mansiysk and Moscow."

"It is important to note that Khanty-Mansiysk will remain one of the cities which will host a sufficient part of the Olympiad. (...) That's why it is not right to say that the Olympiad changes the host city. Khanty-Mansiysk will hold at least two important events, but the details will be announced later".

You know how the 4NCL sometimes gets bad PR because the distance between Division 1/2 and Division 3/4 is a long way? Well, the 1600 miles between Moscow and Khanty-Mansiysk rather put that problem into perspective.
Last edited by Alex Holowczak on Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:20 pm, edited 2 times in total.

Roger de Coverly
Posts: 18185
Joined: Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:51 pm

Re: Repercussions / Fallout from FIDE Elections?

Post by Roger de Coverly » Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:11 pm

Kevin Thurlow wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 6:49 pm
Er, aren't the venues some distance apart?
It looks as if the context is that they've come up with the idea of copying the Olympics and holding a para-Olympiad. This would be in Siberia with the main Olympiad and the FIDE Congress moved to Moscow.

Nigel Short
Posts: 292
Joined: Sun Dec 21, 2008 9:14 am

Re: Repercussions / Fallout from FIDE Elections?

Post by Nigel Short » Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:52 pm

The Chess Paralympiad was my idea, by the way. I got on a plane to propose it to Arkady Dvorkovich, in Bratislava, earlier this year. He agreed to the idea immediately, and even came up with the precise format. This was approved by the Presidential Board in Baku.

Alex Holowczak
Posts: 9004
Joined: Sat May 30, 2009 5:18 pm
Location: Oldbury, Worcestershire
Contact:

Re: Repercussions / Fallout from FIDE Elections?

Post by Alex Holowczak » Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:33 pm

Roger de Coverly wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:11 pm
Kevin Thurlow wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 6:49 pm
Er, aren't the venues some distance apart?
It looks as if the context is that they've come up with the idea of copying the Olympics and holding a para-Olympiad. This would be in Siberia with the main Olympiad and the FIDE Congress moved to Moscow.
So the latest seems to be that the Olympiad and Closing Ceremony will be in Moscow, but everything else (Opening Ceremony, Paralympiad, FIDE Congress & General Assembly) will be held in Khanty-Mansiysk. Luckily, it's only a 3,200-mile round trip.

If the Congress is held at a different time to the Olympiad - which it surely has to be - then one of the big advantages of the Olympiad in having everything in one place at the same time to the benefit of saving people's time and money, will also disappear. I assume FIDE will end up paying for people's flights to get around that problem, but that's not much good for those of us who have other commitments and have arranged their summer accordingly.

David Sedgwick
Posts: 3519
Joined: Mon Apr 09, 2007 5:56 pm
Location: Croydon

Re: Repercussions / Fallout from FIDE Elections?

Post by David Sedgwick » Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:53 am

There will of course be the opportunity for Federations' delegates to ask questions about all of this at the 2019 FIDE Congress, which will take place from …. to …. in ….

I can't fill in the blanks for some reason. Can anyone out there help me?

NickFaulks
Posts: 5171
Joined: Sat Jan 02, 2010 1:28 pm

Re: Repercussions / Fallout from FIDE Elections?

Post by NickFaulks » Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:17 am

According to Emil Sutovsky's Facebook page, details of the 2019 General Assembly, which were absolutely-definitely-nothing-can-go wrong-this-time going to be announced today, will now be known on Wednesday.

I'm not expecting to hear much about the new arrangements for the 2020 GA for a while.


edit : I was wrong about the second part.According to an email from FIDE Press

"The schedule for the Chess Olympiad will be as follows:

July 30 (Khanty-Mansiysk)
The opening ceremony of the Chess Olympiad 

July 31 – August 5 (Khanty-Mansiysk)
Chess Paralympics, FIDE Congress and General Assembly 

August 6 (Moscow)
The opening ceremony of the Moscow leg of the Chess Olympiad 

August 7-18 (Moscow)
Main competition

August 18 (Moscow)
The closing ceremony of the Chess Olympiad"

The timing for the Congress is a bit tight. Additional expenditure will will be incurred by federations and Commissions which are generally able to combine their duties at the Congress and the Olympiad

Roger de Coverly
Posts: 18185
Joined: Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:51 pm

Re: Repercussions / Fallout from FIDE Elections?

Post by Roger de Coverly » Tue Nov 12, 2019 8:15 pm

NickFaulks wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:17 am

August 6 (Moscow)
The opening ceremony of the Moscow leg of the Chess Olympiad 

August 7-18 (Moscow)
Main competition

August 18 (Moscow)
The closing ceremony of the Chess Olympiad"
There's even less of a clash with the British Championships, which will run from 18th July to 26th July with a four day extension to 31st July for junior events to avoid clashes with late finishing school terms.

Presumably except for detail on the "Seniors Rated" event in the second week and the lobbying to remove the junior restrictions from the U100 and U110, the British dates are now set in stone.

Alex Holowczak
Posts: 9004
Joined: Sat May 30, 2009 5:18 pm
Location: Oldbury, Worcestershire
Contact:

Re: Repercussions / Fallout from FIDE Elections?

Post by Alex Holowczak » Tue Nov 12, 2019 9:38 pm

NickFaulks wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:17 am
"The schedule for the Chess Olympiad will be as follows:

July 30 (Khanty-Mansiysk)
The opening ceremony of the Chess Olympiad 

July 31 – August 5 (Khanty-Mansiysk)
Chess Paralympics, FIDE Congress and General Assembly 

August 6 (Moscow)
The opening ceremony of the Moscow leg of the Chess Olympiad 

August 7-18 (Moscow)
Main competition

August 18 (Moscow)
The closing ceremony of the Chess Olympiad"

The timing for the Congress is a bit tight. Additional expenditure will will be incurred by federations and Commissions which are generally able to combine their duties at the Congress and the Olympiad
The dates on the published news article have changed since your original post.

July 29 (Khanty-Mansiysk)
The opening ceremony of the Chess Olympiad

July 30 – August 4 (Khanty-Mansiysk)
Chess Paralympiad, FIDE Congress and General Assembly

August 5 (Moscow)
The opening ceremony of the Moscow leg of the Chess Olympiad

August 6-17 (Moscow)
Main competition

August 17 (Moscow)
The closing ceremony of the Chess Olympiad

NickFaulks
Posts: 5171
Joined: Sat Jan 02, 2010 1:28 pm

Re: Repercussions / Fallout from FIDE Elections?

Post by NickFaulks » Tue Nov 12, 2019 9:50 pm

Alex Holowczak wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 9:38 pm
The dates on the published news article have changed since your original post.
Ah, that old trick again.

Roger de Coverly
Posts: 18185
Joined: Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:51 pm

Re: Repercussions / Fallout from FIDE Elections?

Post by Roger de Coverly » Mon Nov 25, 2019 6:59 pm

The FIDE site is reporting a falling out between FIDE and what used to be Agon, now calling itself "World Chess".

https://www.fide.com/news/222
headline
FIDE statement on the recent misleading reports
Seemingly related to this story which appears on multiple sites.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/22/world-c ... d-ipo.html

In the Guardian
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/ ... -flotation

NickFaulks
Posts: 5171
Joined: Sat Jan 02, 2010 1:28 pm

Re: Repercussions / Fallout from FIDE Elections?

Post by NickFaulks » Mon Nov 25, 2019 11:59 pm

Curiouser and curiouser.

Nick Grey
Posts: 1166
Joined: Thu Dec 01, 2011 12:16 am

Re: Repercussions / Fallout from FIDE Elections?

Post by Nick Grey » Tue Nov 26, 2019 12:58 am

I know it is election purdah for the government at this moment so will not speculate whether we will be asked to boycott events let alone any financial matters for ECF. Sponsorship issues etc.

I think I'm robbed to pay 39 pounds in 2019 so will chat when I see you next.

User avatar
Christopher Kreuzer
Posts: 7389
Joined: Fri Aug 06, 2010 2:34 am
Location: London

Re: Repercussions / Fallout from FIDE Elections?

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Tue Nov 26, 2019 1:41 pm

Any views on this interview by GM Peter Heine Nielsen at lichess?

FIDE: Confidentiality Clauses and Secret Votes
To put it bluntly: from a structural point of view, FIDE has obviously become less transparent.
Interesting comparisons drawn with national political systems (his wife, Viktorija Čmilytė, is a Lithuanian politician).

And apparently, there were no appearance fees at the Isle of Man FIDE Grand Swiss!

And a bit on the FIDE trainer fees (or tax depending on your perspective) and a rebuttal/response from Jacob Aagaard.

Post Reply