Old Chestnut

Discussion about all aspects of the ECF County Championships.
Jon Underwood
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Re: Old Chestnut

Post by Jon Underwood » Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:46 pm

Neil Graham wrote:
Thu Apr 11, 2019 10:42 pm
Jon Underwood wrote:
Thu Apr 11, 2019 6:37 pm
I wonder if having a women only section of the championship with say just 8 boards to start with and a proper trophy might be better - obviously a fairly limited number of entries initially but could perhaps work.
There are 73 women players graded over 130 according to the ECF grading data. Very few counties would be able to field an eight board team. Going back to my original point, players should be included in county teams based on merit irrespective of any other criteria. Nottinghamshire have won four national championships in the past five years; each winning team included a female player.
Yes fair point though I was thinking they would be the same counties who can field a competitive open team now.

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Re: Old Chestnut

Post by Neil Graham » Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:58 pm

Well - semi-finals tomorrow. Perhaps a count of female participants?

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Re: Old Chestnut

Post by John Reyes » Sat Jun 08, 2019 2:39 pm

Neil Graham wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:58 pm
Well - semi-finals tomorrow. Perhaps a count of female participants?
Well I know I have not got any female playing but I would not have a problem to pick a woman.

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Re: Old Chestnut

Post by Neill Cooper » Sat Jun 08, 2019 4:27 pm

How about changing the rules for drawn matches such that before board count is female count: the team with more female players wins a drawn match. If they have the same number of females then it is back to board count, etc. It is only a small change but there are quite a few drawn matches. And it could be applied to all sections, not just the open.

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Re: Old Chestnut

Post by Jon Underwood » Sat Jun 08, 2019 5:29 pm

Neill Cooper wrote:
Sat Jun 08, 2019 4:27 pm
How about changing the rules for drawn matches such that before board count is female count: the team with more female players wins a drawn match. If they have the same number of females then it is back to board count, etc. It is only a small change but there are quite a few drawn matches. And it could be applied to all sections, not just the open.
That does sound like a worthwhile idea which wouldn't immediately rule out a whole load of teams.

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Re: Old Chestnut

Post by NickFaulks » Sat Jun 08, 2019 10:11 pm

Neill Cooper wrote:
Sat Jun 08, 2019 4:27 pm
How about changing the rules for drawn matches such that before board count is female count: the team with more female players wins a drawn match. If they have the same number of females then it is back to board count, etc. It is only a small change but there are quite a few drawn matches. And it could be applied to all sections, not just the open.
How about leaving the County Championships alone? I doubt that there is a single county captain who is not delighted to have a female player in the team whenever one be persuaded to play, and messing them about just so the ECF can look as though it is doing something is a solution to nothing.

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Re: Old Chestnut

Post by John Reyes » Sat Jun 08, 2019 10:35 pm

I had a idea that the semi and finals should be played like the 4ncl in the open and minor section
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Re: Old Chestnut

Post by NickFaulks » Sat Jun 08, 2019 11:46 pm

John Reyes wrote:
Sat Jun 08, 2019 10:35 pm
I had a idea that the semi and finals should be played like the 4ncl in the open and minor section
The losing semi-finalists would go home after the first day?
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Re: Old Chestnut

Post by John Reyes » Sat Jun 08, 2019 11:48 pm

NickFaulks wrote:
Sat Jun 08, 2019 11:46 pm
John Reyes wrote:
Sat Jun 08, 2019 10:35 pm
I had a idea that the semi and finals should be played like the 4ncl in the open and minor section
The losing sei-finalists would go home after the first day?
You could do a 3rd/4th place play off? It just a idea with 12 boards
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Re: Old Chestnut

Post by Jon Underwood » Sun Jun 09, 2019 7:54 am

John Reyes wrote:
Sat Jun 08, 2019 10:35 pm
I had a idea that the semi and finals should be played like the 4ncl in the open and minor section
I think anything that involves overnight stays is going to act as a deterrent rather than encouragement.

Trying to hold all the finals in the same place is not worth it in my opinion (especially when the chosen venue is even more ludicrously unfair to teams from one of the unions than is usual.....). Can't see the point in eg Staffs and Notts going on a massive detour.

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Re: Old Chestnut

Post by Kevin Thurlow » Sun Jun 09, 2019 8:36 am

I was talking to David Tucker (Kent) the other day and he said he had proposed having the last 4 playing on a jamboree basis. The idea was rejected, but I thought it was an interesting idea. You would need more space of course.

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Re: Old Chestnut

Post by Neil Graham » Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:11 am

Neil Graham wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:58 pm
Well - semi-finals tomorrow. Perhaps a count of female participants?
Well over 300 players participated in the semi-finals. According to my count four were female and three of these competed in the U100 match between Nottinghamshire and Warwickshire.

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Re: Old Chestnut

Post by Ian Thompson » Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:37 am

Jon Underwood wrote:
Sun Jun 09, 2019 8:11 am
David Pardoe wrote:
Sat Jun 08, 2019 10:15 pm
.. And Basingstoke is still a 5 hour round trip from Ipswich.. a long day.
This brought a wry smile. Kettering is 250 miles and 5.5 hours from Plymouth on a summer Saturday. One way.
David Pardoe wrote:
Sun Jun 09, 2019 10:54 am
As would be the trip from Bolton to Brighton...
Jon Underwood wrote:
Sun Jun 09, 2019 7:54 am
John Reyes wrote:
Sat Jun 08, 2019 10:35 pm
I had a idea that the semi and finals should be played like the 4ncl in the open and minor section
I think anything that involves overnight stays is going to act as a deterrent rather than encouragement.
But with the travel times quoted above you should be staying overnight if you are driving. Apart from probably not being in the best state to play a good game of chess after a drive of that length, your driving is unlikely to be at its best on the way home.

My employer says that if I'm going to drive more than 200 miles in a day I shouldn't do more than a total of 10 hours work + driving time.

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Re: Old Chestnut

Post by Kevin Thurlow » Fri Jun 14, 2019 8:37 am

"My employer says that if I'm going to drive more than 200 miles in a day I shouldn't do more than a total of 10 hours work + driving time."

My employer wanted me to drive from Surrey to Stansted for a 6am flight to Berlin, have the meeting, fly back to arrive at Stansted at midnight, then drive back home. I thought he was wrong at the time...

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Re: Old Chestnut

Post by Jon Underwood » Sat Jun 15, 2019 7:28 am

Ian Thompson wrote:
Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:37 am
Jon Underwood wrote:
Sun Jun 09, 2019 8:11 am
David Pardoe wrote:
Sat Jun 08, 2019 10:15 pm
.. And Basingstoke is still a 5 hour round trip from Ipswich.. a long day.
This brought a wry smile. Kettering is 250 miles and 5.5 hours from Plymouth on a summer Saturday. One way.
David Pardoe wrote:
Sun Jun 09, 2019 10:54 am
As would be the trip from Bolton to Brighton...
Jon Underwood wrote:
Sun Jun 09, 2019 7:54 am
John Reyes wrote:
Sat Jun 08, 2019 10:35 pm
I had a idea that the semi and finals should be played like the 4ncl in the open and minor section
I think anything that involves overnight stays is going to act as a deterrent rather than encouragement.
But with the travel times quoted above you should be staying overnight if you are driving. Apart from probably not being in the best state to play a good game of chess after a drive of that length, your driving is unlikely to be at its best on the way home.

My employer says that if I'm going to drive more than 200 miles in a day I shouldn't do more than a total of 10 hours work + driving time.
Well we have to ask ourselves what is the point in playing in a competition where the final venue is so massively and obviously unfair it is going to be impossible to get a competitive team together.

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