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National stages 2020

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:50 am
by Mick Norris
25th April Preliminary Round
9th May Quarter Final (Open, Minor, U160 and U120)
16th May Quarter Final (U180, U140 and U100)
13th June Semi Finals
4th July Finals
ECF CC Rules 2019 20_.pdf
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main changes are to time controls, role of match captain, beneficiary of default fines and authorised opt out of Finals Day at the time of entry. We have added some clarity to use of intermediate venues in the knockout rounds and highlighted that permissions are required of the National Controller irrespective of Union controller clearance

Re: National stages 2020

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:51 am
by David Sedgwick
Mick Norris wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:50 am
25th April Preliminary Round
9th May Quarter Final (Open, Minor, U160 and U120)
16th May Quarter Final (U180, U140 and U100)
13th June Semi Finals
4th July Finals
So four of the Quarter Finals, including the Open, are over the Bank Holiday weekend and hence clash with the 4NCL. Not great.

Re: National stages 2020

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:23 am
by LawrenceCooper
David Sedgwick wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:51 am
Mick Norris wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:50 am
25th April Preliminary Round
9th May Quarter Final (Open, Minor, U160 and U120)
16th May Quarter Final (U180, U140 and U100)
13th June Semi Finals
4th July Finals
So four of the Quarter Finals, including the Open, are over the Bank Holiday weekend and hence clash with the 4NCL. Not great.
I wonder if those dates were chosen before the May bank holiday dates changed :?

Re: National stages 2020

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:45 am
by Mick Norris
I suspect so; I've emailed the Controller to suggest they are changed

Re: National stages 2020

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 12:06 pm
by Mick Norris
Ok, obvious issue if you bring the date back to 2 May is that the Preliminary round is the week before, so that won't work; you'd also have a clash with the English Senior Championship, and some other events

Not easy unless you shunt them all to 16 May and have all on the same weekend like it used to be

Re: National stages 2020

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 12:28 pm
by Mark Murrell
The defaults dates for the Counties Championship are set according to a well-established pre-set formula to give certainty to participants and organisers of other events. Given that there is a significant body of chess players that support both the Counties Championships and the 4NCL I am however consulting with the Unions on a proposal to utilise a combination of the 25th April and 16th May (dates already earmarked for the Counties Championship) as default dates for the sections affected depending on whether any particular quarter final in the Open, Minor, U160 and U120 is affected by a preliminary round match. A deadline for responses of 16th November has been set to allow for consultation with participating/member Counties. Mark Murrell, ECF Controller Counties Championship

Re: National stages 2020

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 12:54 pm
by Alex Holowczak
Mark Murrell wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 12:28 pm
The defaults dates for the Counties Championship are set according to a well-established pre-set formula to give certainty to participants and organisers of other events.
Unfortunately, the government didn't take the County Championship dates into consideration when it moved the Bank Holiday. :lol:

Re: National stages 2020

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:07 am
by Roger de Coverly
Mark Murrell wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 12:28 pm
Given that there is a significant body of chess players that support both the Counties Championships and the 4NCL
By the nature of the competitions, would that not be mostly the Open, Minor and to an extent the U180?

In recent years, the Open has struggled to get beyond six entrants, so that's an obvious candidate to be moved to the earlier date.

Re: National stages 2020

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:28 am
by Mick Norris
We have quite a few u160 players who also play 4NCL

Re: National stages 2020

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 1:22 pm
by Kevin Thurlow
"Unfortunately, the government didn't take the County Championship dates into consideration when it moved the Bank Holiday. "

Bring back Bonar Law! It's not as if they didn't have warning of the anniversary of VE-Day...

Re: National stages 2020

Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:02 pm
by Mick Norris
David Sedgwick wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:51 am
Mick Norris wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:50 am
25th April Preliminary Round
9th May Quarter Final (Open, Minor, U160 and U120)
16th May Quarter Final (U180, U140 and U100)
13th June Semi Finals
4th July Finals
So four of the Quarter Finals, including the Open, are over the Bank Holiday weekend and hence clash with the 4NCL. Not great.
On the bright side, it looks like the semi-finals are not clashing directly with an England game during the football Euro 2020; England play at Wembley on Sunday 14 June, and although kick off times haven't been released, I assume an evening kick off with earlier games in Bucharest and Amsterdam that day

As for Finals day, If England reach the quarter finals, they either play Friday 3 July in St Petersburg, or Saturday 4 July in Rome, kick off 8 pm UK time I think

Re: National stages 2020

Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:42 pm
by IM Jack Rudd
Mick Norris wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:02 pm
As for Finals day, If England reach the quarter finals, they either play Friday 3 July in St Petersburg, or Saturday 4 July in Rome, kick off 8 pm UK time I think
Not quite true; they could be in either of the other quarter-finals if they get through as a best third-placed team.

Re: National stages 2020

Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2019 10:25 am
by Dewi Jones
IM Jack Rudd wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:42 pm
Mick Norris wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:02 pm
As for Finals day, If England reach the quarter finals, they either play Friday 3 July in St Petersburg, or Saturday 4 July in Rome, kick off 8 pm UK time I think
Not quite true; they could be in either of the other quarter-finals if they get through as a best third-placed team.
If I were English then I wouldn't be worrying about anything beyond the group stages.
😂

Re: National stages 2020

Posted: Mon Nov 25, 2019 1:40 pm
by Graham Borrowdale
Dewi Jones wrote:
Sun Nov 24, 2019 10:25 am
IM Jack Rudd wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:42 pm
Mick Norris wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:02 pm
As for Finals day, If England reach the quarter finals, they either play Friday 3 July in St Petersburg, or Saturday 4 July in Rome, kick off 8 pm UK time I think
Not quite true; they could be in either of the other quarter-finals if they get through as a best third-placed team.
If I were English then I wouldn't be worrying about anything beyond the group stages.
😂
Well, I am, but as I am from a very minor county the chances of a clash are extremely unlikely

Re: National stages 2020

Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 8:35 am
by Mick Norris
IM Jack Rudd wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:42 pm
Mick Norris wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:02 pm
As for Finals day, If England reach the quarter finals, they either play Friday 3 July in St Petersburg, or Saturday 4 July in Rome, kick off 8 pm UK time I think
Not quite true; they could be in either of the other quarter-finals if they get through as a best third-placed team.
Good point

Friday 3 July is 5 pm St Petersburg and 8 pm Munich
Saturday 4 July is 5 pm Baku and 8 pm Rome