2012 National Stages

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Re: 2012 National Stages

Post by Alex Holowczak » Sat Jun 09, 2012 10:39 pm

First result reported in full:

U100: Kent beat Nottinghamshire 6-6 (23-39 on board count)

U100 Final: Essex v Kent

Contrasting fortunes for the two finalists so far in the national stage: Kent won both national matches on board count. Essex won both national matches by default.

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Re: 2012 National Stages

Post by Matthew Turner » Sat Jun 09, 2012 10:41 pm

Somerset did indeed lose this time, but in almost equally farcical circumstances. Somerset were miles ahead on board count (we won the top three and drew the second three). With two games to go it was seven all. In one game Somerset had two pawns against a Rook. Unfortunately the pawns were on a6 and g7 as Black. In the other game the Middlesex player was unable to move any of his pieces and had five minutes against ten. Naturally we informed the Somerset player that he need to win. It will come as no surprise to watchers of these matches that the two pawns comfortably held the Rook and that forced to go for the win the other player contrived to lose. The following position was reached

White (Somerset)
Ke5 Nh7 Pd6 f3 e4

Black (Middlesex)
Kb5 Bh4 Pf4 b6

What happened next?

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Re: 2012 National Stages

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Sat Jun 09, 2012 10:48 pm

So unofficially, the line-up so far in the finals is:

Open: Surrey-Middlesex
Minor: Leicestershire-Herts/Hants
U180: Yorkshire-Middlesex
U160: Greater Manchester-Yorkshire
U140: Herts-Lancs/Surrey
U120: Herts/Lancs-Warks/Essex
U100: Essex-Kent

Could still have 10 of the 14 finals places filled by SCCU teams...

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Re: 2012 National Stages

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Sat Jun 09, 2012 10:49 pm

Matthew Turner wrote:The following position was reached

White (Somerset) - Black (Middlesex)



White to play. What happened next?
Hang on, I'm going to convert that to FEN and put it in pos tags. EDIT: done, but whose move is it? (now added whose move it is)
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Re: 2012 National Stages

Post by Matthew Turner » Sat Jun 09, 2012 10:57 pm

Thank you, it is white to play

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Re: 2012 National Stages

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Sat Jun 09, 2012 10:59 pm

Matthew Turner wrote:Thank you, it is white to play
I thought maybe White had just played 1.e4?? and lost to 1...fxe3 en passant? But that would be silly, as White would just take the f4 pawn instead. White lost this position?? PS. When you say the two pawns comfortably held the rook, you mean that game was somehow drawn? Doesn't that mean the Somerset player now only needed to draw, not to win? But he thought the rook would win, so was going for a win and lost. That is tragic!
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Re: 2012 National Stages

Post by Matthew Turner » Sat Jun 09, 2012 11:01 pm

That would have been a good try, but I'm afraid that is far too sensible

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Re: 2012 National Stages

Post by Sean Hewitt » Sat Jun 09, 2012 11:02 pm

His wife rang asking how he'd got on? :oops:

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Re: 2012 National Stages

Post by James Coleman » Sat Jun 09, 2012 11:03 pm

I'll take a shot at :

1. Nf6 Kc6 2. Ke6 b5 3. d7 Bxf6 4. Kxf6 Kxd7 5. e5 Ke8 with a won position for Black?

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Re: 2012 National Stages

Post by Matthew Turner » Sat Jun 09, 2012 11:04 pm

Sean and James, those sort of things might happen in lesser matches but remember this is a Counties Semi-Final

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Re: 2012 National Stages

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Sat Jun 09, 2012 11:07 pm

James Coleman wrote:I'll take a shot at :

1. Nf6 Kc6 2. Ke6 b5 3. d7 Bxf6 4. Kxf6 Kxd7 5. e5 Ke8 with a won position for Black?
Ooh. That could be it. 5. Kf7 Kd6 6. Kf5 Kd7 7. Kf7 etc would have drawn?

EDIT: Given what Matthew said, maybe there is a helpmate in there somewhere?

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Re: 2012 National Stages

Post by Richard Bates » Sat Jun 09, 2012 11:10 pm

Did white play 1. Ng5? Bit difficult to find anything else that doesn't win, let alone draw!

This was a real "match of two halves".

Somerset won 6.5-1.5 on the top 8.

Middlesex won 7-1 on the bottom 8.

Had the match finished 8-8 it would probably have been one of the most one-sided board count in history.

Strangely there is little in the respective gradings to explain either disparity!
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Re: 2012 National Stages

Post by Matthew Turner » Sat Jun 09, 2012 11:13 pm

White did not play Ng5. That goes against all endgame principles and would clearly be ridiculous

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Re: 2012 National Stages

Post by Richard Bates » Sat Jun 09, 2012 11:14 pm

Matthew Turner wrote:White did not play Ng5. That goes against all endgame principles and would clearly be ridiculous
I'm assuming you're building up to something even more ridiculous, but i can't see it...

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Re: 2012 National Stages

Post by Sean Hewitt » Sat Jun 09, 2012 11:16 pm

Giz a clue!

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