2012 National Stages

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John McKenna

Re: 2012 National Stages

Post by John McKenna » Thu Jun 07, 2012 6:02 pm

On reading the above U-100 result my first thought was - whitewash, then I read the dreaded word 'default'.
Time to try a match over the internet? (With one ECF arbiter in each county's match room, to ensure fair play, 12-board teams in the lower sections of the competition could be offered it as an experimental option.)

Andrew Bak
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Re: 2012 National Stages

Post by Andrew Bak » Thu Jun 07, 2012 6:24 pm

A preview of Yorkshire's upcoming matches.

Sadly I can't shed any light on the U100's withdrawal. The Northern Megafinal is taking place on Saturday 9th, and I gather that the U100 team was primarily juniors, so this clash might have been the reason, but that is just pure speculation on my part.

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Re: 2012 National Stages

Post by Matthew Turner » Thu Jun 07, 2012 6:51 pm

Andrew Bak wrote:A preview of Yorkshire's upcoming matches.

Sadly I can't shed any light on the U100's withdrawal. The Northern Megafinal is taking place on Saturday 9th, and I gather that the U100 team was primarily juniors, so this clash might have been the reason, but that is just pure speculation on my part.
i don't think you are right on your speculation there because the Giga-Finals are in July. However, Sat 9th June is the end of half-term and will probably be coming up to exams for many juniors.

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Re: 2012 National Stages

Post by Neill Cooper » Thu Jun 07, 2012 7:17 pm

North Yorkshire Megafinal is Sat 9th June. That is a month after many southern megafinals, but the day before the South Yorks Megafinal.

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Re: 2012 National Stages

Post by Matthew Turner » Thu Jun 07, 2012 7:51 pm

I stand corrected. That seems very odd, because there will not be much time to get Giga-Final invites out.

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Re: 2012 National Stages

Post by Alex Holowczak » Fri Jun 08, 2012 11:10 am

I can confirm that the reason for the default is the clash with the North Yorkshire Megafinal.

John McKenna

Re: 2012 National Stages

Post by John McKenna » Fri Jun 08, 2012 12:05 pm

Some things remain "beyond the wit of Man" then.

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Re: 2012 National Stages

Post by Alex Holowczak » Fri Jun 08, 2012 1:00 pm

John McKenna wrote:Some things remain "beyond the wit of Man" then.
Remembering that the dates for the Final Stages have been set since 1st November, it would have been very easy for Yorkshire to work out the dates of the Under 100 Semi Final, and choose a different date for their Megafinal. This was a relatively trivial thing to either (a) Check before arranging the Megafinal (b) Check when you've been asked to accept the nomination.

Because of this, I haven't waived the £50 default fine.

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Re: 2012 National Stages

Post by Ian Kingston » Fri Jun 08, 2012 1:38 pm

Alex Holowczak wrote:
John McKenna wrote:Some things remain "beyond the wit of Man" then.
Remembering that the dates for the Final Stages have been set since 1st November, it would have been very easy for Yorkshire to work out the dates of the Under 100 Semi Final, and choose a different date for their Megafinal. This was a relatively trivial thing to either (a) Check before arranging the Megafinal (b) Check when you've been asked to accept the nomination.

Because of this, I haven't waived the £50 default fine.
I don't know what the situation is in Yorkshire, but it's not always the case that the county association has anything to do with organising the local Megafinal. Communication between the association and the local UKCC organiser may not be all that one would desire, particularly if the issue of a clash hasn't arisen previously.

This default (along with the other six so far) does highlight the relative lack of importance that players give to the county championships these days. It's fortunate that the draw for Euro 2012 (made on 2 December) didn't give England a game on 9 June, otherwise there might have been bigger problems.

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Re: 2012 National Stages

Post by Peter Shaw » Fri Jun 08, 2012 1:57 pm

I'm not exactly sure what these fines are supposed to achieve. If it is to reduce the number of defaults, it clearly isn't working!

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Re: 2012 National Stages

Post by Sean Hewitt » Fri Jun 08, 2012 2:08 pm

Peter Shaw wrote:I'm not exactly sure what these fines are supposed to achieve. If it is to reduce the number of defaults, it clearly isn't working!
Maybe not, though this is the first year they apper to have been applied so they would not yet act as a detterent.

I would have thought that, in the knowledge that counties are now being fined for defaults, there might be some effort in future years to ensure that they can raise a team before accepting a nomination for the final stages.

It must be galling for teams that missed out on the final stages to see teams defaulting when they could have played instead.

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Re: 2012 National Stages

Post by Mick Norris » Sat Jun 09, 2012 9:22 am

Good luck to all travelling today in what are, here and elsewhere, not the weather conditions you would want for a June semi final
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Re: 2012 National Stages

Post by Sean Hewitt » Sat Jun 09, 2012 9:47 am

Mick Norris wrote:Good luck to all travelling today in what are, here and elsewhere, not the weather conditions you would want for a June semi final
Thanks. Milton Keynes awaits. Does that make me one of the bussed in 'stars' that DP is always banging on about? :lol:

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Re: 2012 National Stages

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Sat Jun 09, 2012 10:00 am

Mick Norris wrote:Good luck to all travelling today in what are, here and elsewhere, not the weather conditions you would want for a June semi final
Some of those lucky enough to be drawn at home have less distance to travel than others... :D

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Re: 2012 National Stages

Post by benedgell » Sat Jun 09, 2012 11:09 am

Fingers crossed for Somerset against Middlesex. Our match captain is standing down at the end of this run and hes done great work over the last few seasons, so hopefully he can go out with a bang (and yes I'm aware of the hypocrisy of me wishing Somerset sucess on a forum rather then actually playing for Somerset and helping them achieve it, but there we are)