2014 Final stages

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Roger de Coverly
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Re: 2014 Final stages

Post by Roger de Coverly » Sun Jul 13, 2014 5:06 pm

IM Jack Rudd wrote: It's not that we don't know how to access the scores, it's that they are not yet up there to access.
All the results seem to be present, but they are extremely slow to load. Depending on browser settings, speed of connection and patience, that could give the impression of absence. There's something suspect about the data, as it is showing as ungraded players like Alan Merry, Suffolk board 1.

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Re: 2014 Final stages

Post by David Pardoe » Sun Jul 13, 2014 5:09 pm

Here`s what I get when I `click` on the `Minor Counties` result box..ie, the box saying 9.5 - 6.5 to Sussex

http://www.englishchess.org.uk/county-c ... -20132014/

Is that what you are looking for....?
The others are equally accessable from my PC..
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Re: 2014 Final stages

Post by Roger de Coverly » Sun Jul 13, 2014 5:14 pm

David Pardoe wrote: Is that what you are looking for....?
The actual Minor Counties Final result is at
http://www.oxfordfusion.com/oca/ViewCup ... ot=1&Org=4

It loads .... eventually.
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Re: 2014 Final stages

Post by Dragoljub Sudar » Sun Jul 13, 2014 5:19 pm

Thanks lads. The minor counties result took about 30 seconds to load (and not all the players' grades are shown for some reason, i.e. Merry's (223) and Tan's (227)) which is strange considering the earlier rounds come up almost immediately.

Suffolk thoroughly deserved their win yesterday. Even had we not messed up on two of our boards we would still have lost 8.5 - 7.5
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Re: 2014 Final stages

Post by David Pardoe » Sun Jul 13, 2014 5:21 pm

Here`s a copy of what I get when I follow through the links I mentioned...it takes just one further `click` from the link I mentioned...

Submitted Result
Suffolk Nottinghamshire
1 Merry, Alan B (-) 1 - 0 Barnes, Mike (201,205)
2 Tan, Justin (-) 1 - 0 Padilla Cabero, Pablo (196,203)
3 Taylor, Adam C (-) 0.5 - 0.5 Combie, Alexander (187,193)
4 Munson, Shaun D (204,205) 1 - 0 Richmond, Robert (190,183)
5 Moore, Graham J (190,192) 0 - 1 Mercs, Peter J (202,180)
6 Gregory, Stephen J (190,189) 1 - 0 Halfpenny, Glenn (184,179)
7 Ruthen, Stephen W (176,180) 0 - 1 Walker, Tim D (-)
8 Cook, Michael P (181,177) 1 - 0 Walker, Andrew N (166,175)
9 Savage, Nicholas W (174,175) 0.5 - 0.5 Burke, Steven J (169,172)
10 Sanders, Robert R (171,176) 0.5 - 0.5 George, Andy (166,171)
11 Peters, John A (169,175) 1 - 0 Swain, John T (169,170)
12 Peck, Silas (162,171) 0.5 - 0.5 Hunter, Steve (170,168)
13 Burnett, Leon ( ,158) 0.5 - 0.5 Broughton, Daniel (-)
14 Clapham, Michael JW (159,161) 0.5 - 0.5 Thompson, Brian (165,169)
15 Feavyour, John A (151,160) 0.5 - 0.5 Willow, Jonah B (141,166)
16 Kirkham, Ed (138,145) 0 - 1 London, Nick J (160,160)
(ave grade 174) home win 9.5 - 6.5 (ave grade 178)
Match played on 12 Jul 2014.
Result submitted by Andrew Zigmond on 12 Jul 2014.
Result confirmed by Andrew Zigmond on 12 Jul 2014.
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Re: 2014 Final stages

Post by John Swain » Sun Jul 13, 2014 5:30 pm

David Pardoe wrote:Here`s a copy of what I get when I follow through the links I mentioned...it takes just one further `click` from the link I mentioned...

Submitted Result
Suffolk Nottinghamshire
1 Merry, Alan B (-) 1 - 0 Barnes, Mike (201,205)
2 Tan, Justin (-) 1 - 0 Padilla Cabero, Pablo (196,203)
3 Taylor, Adam C (-) 0.5 - 0.5 Combie, Alexander (187,193)
4 Munson, Shaun D (204,205) 1 - 0 Richmond, Robert (190,183)
5 Moore, Graham J (190,192) 0 - 1 Mercs, Peter J (202,180)
6 Gregory, Stephen J (190,189) 1 - 0 Halfpenny, Glenn (184,179)
7 Ruthen, Stephen W (176,180) 0 - 1 Walker, Tim D (-)
8 Cook, Michael P (181,177) 1 - 0 Walker, Andrew N (166,175)
9 Savage, Nicholas W (174,175) 0.5 - 0.5 Burke, Steven J (169,172)
10 Sanders, Robert R (171,176) 0.5 - 0.5 George, Andy (166,171)
11 Peters, John A (169,175) 1 - 0 Swain, John T (169,170)
12 Peck, Silas (162,171) 0.5 - 0.5 Hunter, Steve (170,168)
13 Burnett, Leon ( ,158) 0.5 - 0.5 Broughton, Daniel (-)
14 Clapham, Michael JW (159,161) 0.5 - 0.5 Thompson, Brian (165,169)
15 Feavyour, John A (151,160) 0.5 - 0.5 Willow, Jonah B (141,166)
16 Kirkham, Ed (138,145) 0 - 1 London, Nick J (160,160)
(ave grade 174) home win 9.5 - 6.5 (ave grade 178)
Match played on 12 Jul 2014.
Result submitted by Andrew Zigmond on 12 Jul 2014.
Result confirmed by Andrew Zigmond on 12 Jul 2014.
Well done to Suffolk and to all the other winners (including Notts U.120 - it was good to see one of our three teams victorious). Thanks also to the control team for running an event which, from a player's perspective, seemed to go very smoothly.

It was good to see a few more juniors and younger players from what I remember at the same event in 2010 and 2011.

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Re: 2014 Final stages

Post by Mick Norris » Sun Jul 13, 2014 6:57 pm

IM Jack Rudd wrote:
David Pardoe wrote:Just click on the match result to get a breakdown of the rounds, then click on the Final score to get the details for that particular Final match....repeat for other Final matches.
The point, you have once again missed it. It's not that we don't know how to access the scores, it's that they are not yet up there to access.
Jack

They were there when I posted the link, and they were there when I checked earlier today

Seems your Somerset team ran Suffolk closest in their Minor Counties triumphal run
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Re: 2014 Final stages

Post by Neil Graham » Sun Jul 13, 2014 7:58 pm

Mick Norris wrote:
IM Jack Rudd wrote:
David Pardoe wrote:Just click on the match result to get a breakdown of the rounds, then click on the Final score to get the details for that particular Final match....repeat for other Final matches.
The point, you have once again missed it. It's not that we don't know how to access the scores, it's that they are not yet up there to access.
Jack

They were there when I posted the link, and they were there when I checked earlier today

Seems your Somerset team ran Suffolk closest in their Minor Counties triumphal run
Can I echo John Swain's thanks to the organisers of the Championship yesterday. A few brief notes follow.

With reference to the Nottinghamshire performances - after a run of seven successive victories Suffolk stopped us in our tracks by scoring 3.5/4 on Boards 1-4. Notts could make no inroads on the remaining twelve boards where honours were equal. On Boards One and Two the East Anglian county produced two juniors who are just one norm short of IM titles. This was the first time Justin Tan had appeared in either the preliminaries or finals and the Suffolk side certainly looked stronger than when it faced Somerset. In the Under 140 final Notts began with a nine game unbeaten run (+3, =6, -0) to take a 6-3 lead against Hampshire. Unfortunately despite looking on course for the title at this point, the remaining games produced six wins for Hampshire with a sole Notts reply! Finally some uncompromising play on the upper boards plus a slice of luck lower down enabled the Nottinghamshire side to score a 7-5 win over Hertfordshire in the Under 120 Final. It would have been a pity to have contested three finals with no reward at all! Fuller reports will appear in due course on the Notts CA website.

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Re: 2014 Final stages

Post by Ian Wallis » Mon Jul 14, 2014 12:03 am

Neil Graham wrote: the Suffolk side certainly looked stronger than when it faced Somerset.
Appearances can be deceptive, the strength of the teams were practically the same with an average grade of 179.38 against Somerset and 179.31 against Nottinghamshire. We actually peaked at 179.75 against Essex in the semi's!

Alan has been a regular for us for a number of seasons now, his absence in the earlier rounds being due to exams, a problem faced by many juniors this time of year. Justin's début in the final was not down to the lack of trying to achieve this earlier, he simply has not been able to make any of our previous dates, mainly due to entering tournaments in the search of norms!

Obviously having three highly rated juniors on the top three boards gives the illusion that the team is stronger. However this was only achieved by sacrificing other regular 170-180 players (myself being one of them) in the middle order. Also our bottom board does not normally play for the first team, usually playing for the U160's but as we don't have as many players as other counties we are unable to sustain multiple teams simultaneously. He was chosen for two reasons; to keep the average grade down and being a car driver! A very valuable asset for any county as has been pointed out in other threads.

It was always going to be a herculean team effort to stop the very successful Nottinghamshire side. Fielding highly graded players on the top boards does not guarantee success, as Leicestershire discovered earlier. Only one point can be gained per board whatever the standard of the player.

There has been a lot of debate regarding the perceived lack of enthusiasm for county chess or the obstacles in fielding multiple teams. However Nottinghamshire seem to have found a solution. Obviously having sufficient player base to start, they have found people willing and able to provide five county teams this season, guiding three of them to the finals day.

And that from a minor county as well! :D

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Re: 2014 Final stages

Post by Mick Norris » Mon Jul 14, 2014 8:21 am

Ian Wallis wrote:There has been a lot of debate regarding the perceived lack of enthusiasm for county chess or the obstacles in fielding multiple teams. However Nottinghamshire seem to have found a solution.
From the outside, it appears that Neil Graham is the primary reason for this, years of hard work taking them to where they are now

In the MCCU, Warks and Leics seem to organise many teams too, Staffs are very organised at certain levels, but most of the counties give it a go
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Re: 2014 Final stages

Post by MartinCarpenter » Mon Jul 14, 2014 10:36 am

The MCCU has a lot of people concentrated in the Midlands and quite good travel too, so you'd hope for a healthy competition :)

Rather impressed by the organisation behind those Suffolk minor counties teams! I'd be absolutely terrified if I was trying to organise a team with an average grade of 179.something.....

Impressed to realise that on paper Yorkshire could replace every single player from boards 4-16 on the team from Saturday without really weakening it. (1-3 obviously another matter :)) Only ever seem to get even the sort of turn out if/when we reach the final though.

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Re: 2014 Final stages

Post by Graham Borrowdale » Mon Jul 14, 2014 1:56 pm

Ian Wallis wrote:...However this was only achieved by sacrificing other regular 170-180 players (myself being one of them) in the middle order...
Ian, you are too modest!
I had forgotten that the Minor Counties requires an average grade below 180, so having stars at the top means fielding some lower graded players lower down. So would 16 179s fare better than a mix of players with the same average?
Anyway, congratulations for winning the event on behalf of the EACU!

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Re: 2014 Final stages

Post by MartinCarpenter » Mon Jul 14, 2014 2:35 pm

Interesting :) Even almost conceivable if the U180's/minor counties ever do get rolled together.

If the team of 179's is really organised, and provided nothing silly like someone with a grade of 0 on board 16!, then I think might favour them very slightly.

You get to to get the 'right' players on the right boards. Hence the people who do unusually well vs stronger players on 1-4 and the bunny bashers on 13-16. Should have a good selection of the same from 16 players and it can make a genuine difference.

In practice I imagine you'd try and get the really strong players playing if possible, for the added prestige/likely team morale if nothing else.

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Re: 2014 Final stages

Post by Neil Graham » Mon Jul 14, 2014 3:46 pm

In Nottinghamshire's semi-final against Leicestershire, our opponents managed to produce a team with an average grade of 180 exactly!

In my judgement you just have to hope your team can play well on the day; this is why in graded-limited congress sections it is unusual for the number 1 seed to win - it's mostly the player who finds a rich vein of form over a weekend. The grading difference between Notts and Suffolk was about three points in favour of the latter using the July 2013 grades.

Last year Essex had an 11 year-old junior playing for them who had a grade of 68 in July 2012 which was the relevant date for eligibility. By July 2013 he had progressed to 164 (ie a rise of 96 grading points in 12 months) - this enabled them to increase the grade of every other board by some seven points. His grade had risen to 174 in the January 2014 list.

Nottinghamshire included a 10 year-old player in our Minor side whose grade has risen from 96 to 166 in eighteen months. His county results this year have been P5 W3 D2 L0.

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Re: 2014 Final stages

Post by Mick Norris » Tue Jul 15, 2014 8:30 am

result now confirmed for U100 - Kent 8.5 - 3.5 Warks
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