COVid19-What's wrong with UK?

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Re: COVid19-What's wrong with UK?

Post by Alan Walton » Mon Apr 12, 2021 1:15 pm

David Sedgwick wrote:
Mon Apr 12, 2021 10:22 am
The three sizeable countries with the highest vaccination rates are Israel, Chile and the UK.

See https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... n-lockdown and https://www.theguardian.com/society/202 ... -countries for two sobering articles about the differing experiences of the other two.
There is not a word about Chile predominantly using the Chinese vaccine; whose efficacy is much debated and generally speaking has been overstated

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Re: COVid19-What's wrong with UK?

Post by NickFaulks » Mon Apr 12, 2021 1:22 pm

Alan Walton wrote:
Mon Apr 12, 2021 1:15 pm
There is not a word about Chile predominantly using the Chinese vaccine; whose efficacy is much debated and generally speaking has been overstated
Nor the fact that while "cases" have bounced, deaths haven't.
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Re: COVid19-What's wrong with UK?

Post by David Sedgwick » Mon Apr 12, 2021 1:39 pm

Alan Walton wrote:
Mon Apr 12, 2021 1:15 pm
There is not a word about Chile predominantly using the Chinese vaccine; whose efficacy is much debated and generally speaking has been overstated
NickFaulks wrote:
Mon Apr 12, 2021 1:22 pm
Nor the fact that while "cases" have bounced, deaths haven't.
They may yet, as deaths lag infections by four to five weeks.

I do of course hope and pray that the UK will be a second Israel in this regard.

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Re: COVid19-What's wrong with UK?

Post by MartinCarpenter » Mon Apr 12, 2021 2:23 pm

You also have to remember all the time lags involved here. 3 weeks from jab to a vaccine doing anything, and a fair while from exposure to ending up in hospital.

Looking at that second article, Chile basically got hit by a wave maybe two months before having enough vaccination to really control it. We should be much better off than that - but it's why we're still being cautious now.

Mutants obviously another issue.

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Re: COVid19-What's wrong with UK?

Post by Alan Walton » Mon Apr 12, 2021 3:12 pm

MartinCarpenter wrote:
Mon Apr 12, 2021 2:23 pm
Mutants obviously another issue.
Didn’t think they exist, you should really should stop watching those X-Men films

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Re: COVid19-What's wrong with UK?

Post by Mick Norris » Mon Apr 12, 2021 4:34 pm

David Sedgwick wrote:
Mon Apr 12, 2021 10:22 am
The three sizeable countries with the highest vaccination rates are Israel, Chile and the UK.

See https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... n-lockdown and https://www.theguardian.com/society/202 ... -countries for two sobering articles about the differing experiences of the other two.
Israel turned to free pizza and beer to encourage younger people – who are less at risk from the virus – to have the vaccine and similar enticements might work in the UK
:!:
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Re: COVid19-What's wrong with UK?

Post by Mick Norris » Mon Apr 12, 2021 4:41 pm

Alan Walton wrote:
Mon Apr 12, 2021 1:15 pm
David Sedgwick wrote:
Mon Apr 12, 2021 10:22 am
The three sizeable countries with the highest vaccination rates are Israel, Chile and the UK.

See https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... n-lockdown and https://www.theguardian.com/society/202 ... -countries for two sobering articles about the differing experiences of the other two.
There is not a word about Chile predominantly using the Chinese vaccine; whose efficacy is much debated and generally speaking has been overstated
The first article does mention that Chile, unlike Israel, use the Sinovac vaccine, but doesn't say how widespread it is

Doubts from China about the Sinovac via the BBC website today
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Re: COVid19-What's wrong with UK?

Post by Mick Norris » Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:09 am

Vaccines alone will not stop Covid spreading - here's why

The Swiss cheese model
Many of us are hoping vaccines against coronavirus will be our route out of lockdown, enabling us to reclaim our old lives. But scientists say jabs alone will not currently be enough and other measures are still needed.
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Re: COVid19-What's wrong with UK?

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:32 pm

Depends rather on what those "other measures" are.
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Re: COVid19-What's wrong with UK?

Post by Reg Clucas » Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:30 pm

Mick Norris wrote:
Mon Apr 12, 2021 4:34 pm
Israel turned to free pizza and beer to encourage younger people – who are less at risk from the virus – to have the vaccine and similar enticements might work in the UK
:!:
If they introduce such a measure, I hope it will be applied retrospectively! :wink:

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Re: COVid19-What's wrong with UK?

Post by soheil_hooshdaran » Mon Apr 19, 2021 7:13 pm

I heard the London lockdown is lifted; when did it begin?

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Re: COVid19-What's wrong with UK?

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Mon Apr 19, 2021 8:05 pm

Some way from totally lifted yet, and not just in London but across the UK.
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Re: COVid19-What's wrong with UK?

Post by soheil_hooshdaran » Wed Apr 21, 2021 3:10 pm

Why some way away?

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Re: COVid19-What's wrong with UK?

Post by NickFaulks » Wed Apr 21, 2021 3:57 pm

soheil_hooshdaran wrote:
Wed Apr 21, 2021 3:10 pm
Why some way away?
Why do governments which have removed liberties from their people ever give them back? As they say in Lidl, "when it's gone, it's gone".
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Re: COVid19-What's wrong with UK?

Post by Reg Clucas » Thu Apr 22, 2021 2:08 pm

soheil_hooshdaran wrote:
Wed Apr 21, 2021 3:10 pm
Why some way away?
June 21st has been (conditionally) set as the date when restrictions will be totally lifted. It's being done in gradual stages.

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