Euro 21

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Re: Euro 21

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Wed Jun 23, 2021 5:05 pm

Spain - "good games"??
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Re: Euro 21

Post by NickFaulks » Wed Jun 23, 2021 5:21 pm

Matt Mackenzie wrote:
Wed Jun 23, 2021 5:05 pm
Spain - "good games"??
I take your point, but it is made more interesting because they have to win or go home.
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Re: Euro 21

Post by IM Jack Rudd » Wed Jun 23, 2021 5:29 pm

No, a draw is enough if Poland do not beat Sweden.

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Re: Euro 21

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:19 pm

Having said the above, the Spaniards do seem to be playing some actual football today.
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Re: Euro 21

Post by David Gilbert » Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:31 pm

NickFaulks wrote:
Wed Jun 23, 2021 5:21 pm
Matt Mackenzie wrote:
Wed Jun 23, 2021 5:05 pm
Spain - "good games"??
I take your point, but it is made more interesting because they have to win or go home.
Or as Mick McCarthy put it "No regrets, none at all. My only regret is that we went out on penalties. That's my only regret. But no, no regrets"

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Re: Euro 21

Post by NickFaulks » Wed Jun 23, 2021 9:41 pm

IM Jack Rudd wrote:
Wed Jun 23, 2021 5:29 pm
No, a draw is enough if Poland do not beat Sweden.
True, but they could hardly rely on that. They played on the basis that they had to win, which they quite convincingly did.
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Re: Euro 21

Post by NickFaulks » Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:05 pm

Very disappointed for Hungary. It would have been brilliant if the Germans had gone out, even from a group where England would have done well to finish last.
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Re: Euro 21

Post by LawrenceCooper » Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:15 pm

NickFaulks wrote:
Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:05 pm
Very disappointed for Hungary. It would have been brilliant if the Germans had gone out, even from a group where England would have done well to finish last.
Agreed. A dramatic end to a group that when I first saw the teams I half expected France, Germany and Portugal to finish on five points by drawing with each other and beating Hungary.

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Re: Euro 21

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:35 pm

NickFaulks wrote:
Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:05 pm
Very disappointed for Hungary. It would have been brilliant if the Germans had gone out, even from a group where England would have done well to finish last.
Orban will be gutted though, which makes it more bearable.
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Re: Euro 21

Post by NickFaulks » Thu Jun 24, 2021 9:04 am

Matt Mackenzie wrote:
Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:35 pm
Orban will be gutted though, which makes it more bearable.
Orban allows his people to play chess and to go on holiday. Johnson doesn't. I know which one I think is the authoritarian.
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Re: Euro 21

Post by JustinHorton » Thu Jun 24, 2021 9:49 am

As Orbán used the pandemic to allow himself to rule by decree for an indefinite period (legislation passed March 30 last year) that is not a particularly convincing conclusion.
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Re: Euro 21

Post by NickFaulks » Thu Jun 24, 2021 10:00 am

JustinHorton wrote:
Thu Jun 24, 2021 9:49 am
As Orbán used the pandemic to allow himself to rule by decree for an indefinite period (legislation passed March 30 last year) that is not a particularly convincing conclusion.
Johnson has done the same thing - in theory his powers have to be renewed every so often, but with a totally compliant Parliament that is automatic.The difference is that Orban is using his powers with rather less brutality towards his own people.
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Re: Euro 21

Post by JustinHorton » Thu Jun 24, 2021 10:35 am

NickFaulks wrote:
Thu Jun 24, 2021 10:00 am
JustinHorton wrote:
Thu Jun 24, 2021 9:49 am
As Orbán used the pandemic to allow himself to rule by decree for an indefinite period (legislation passed March 30 last year) that is not a particularly convincing conclusion.
Johnson has done the same thing
Are you able to source that? I am far from sure I know what you're referring to.
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Re: Euro 21

Post by Roger de Coverly » Thu Jun 24, 2021 10:42 am

JustinHorton wrote:
Thu Jun 24, 2021 10:35 am
I am far from sure I know what you're referring to.
The UK government doesn't have a totally blank cheque to exert powers to prohibit or restrain freedom of association. The current powers were nodded through earlier this year but expire in the autumn. The lack of intent to deliver on the removal of restrictions was illustrated by their extension past the scheduled date this week for removal.

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Re: Euro 21

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Thu Jun 24, 2021 10:44 am

This year? I thought Nick was referring to the Coronavirus Bill powers enacted last year?

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/co ... provision/
The Gilbert + Tobin Centre of Public Law at UNSW Australia has argued that sunset clauses should not include renewal mechanisms. They contend that the legislation should expire at the end of the period rather than remaining on the statute books to be revived in the future.
See here for more official information on this:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... ll-will-do

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