Start Date of Next Lockdown?

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Re: Start Date of Next Lockdown?

Post by NickFaulks » Fri Jul 23, 2021 5:44 pm

Angus French wrote:
Fri Jul 23, 2021 5:06 pm
And in terms of ICU bed capacity and occupancy?
Very few vaccinated people seem to get that far ( although the figures are of course suppressed ).
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Re: Start Date of Next Lockdown?

Post by John Upham » Fri Jul 23, 2021 5:47 pm

NickFaulks wrote:
Fri Jul 23, 2021 4:56 pm
John Upham wrote:
Fri Jul 23, 2021 4:04 pm
What level of hospitalisations have been agreed as being the trigger point do we think?

20,000 perhaps?
One per 66 NHS staff. I suppose that would qualify as "overwhelmed".
Should the patient be treated standing up or would you think to offer them a bed for the night?

Perhaps a chair would be adequate?

Possibly "Take two aspirins and come and see me in a fortnight"
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Re: Start Date of Next Lockdown?

Post by NickFaulks » Fri Jul 23, 2021 5:53 pm

John Upham wrote:
Fri Jul 23, 2021 5:47 pm
Should the patient be treated standing up or would you think to offer them a bed for the night?

Perhaps a chair would be adequate?

Possibly "Take two aspirins and come and see me in a fortnight"
There are 130,000 NHS beds, even without the Nightingales which were scrapped because they were considered surplus to any imaginable requirements.
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Re: Start Date of Next Lockdown?

Post by Mick Norris » Fri Jul 23, 2021 6:19 pm

I've been told this afternoon that Bolton hospital has 1 Covid only ward, which is significantly less than previous peaks, despite case numbers here remaining reasonably high; I think Blackburn hospital, by contrast, is really struggling, and sending patients to other hospitals

It's not the number of beds, of course, it's the number of staff that is key
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Re: Start Date of Next Lockdown?

Post by NickFaulks » Fri Jul 23, 2021 6:39 pm

Mick Norris wrote:
Fri Jul 23, 2021 6:19 pm
It's not the number of beds, of course, it's the number of staff that is key
Which was where I started but someone said no, it's about beds.
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Re: Start Date of Next Lockdown?

Post by David Gilbert » Fri Jul 23, 2021 7:36 pm

NickFaulks wrote:
Fri Jul 23, 2021 5:44 pm
[although the figures are of course suppressed ).
Nick I can’t let you get away with that lie. This might be what you’ve been used to in Bermuda, but not over here. Do you understand how HES works? HES collects detailed information on every patient journey through the hospital system. Hospitals submit data to NHS Digital who process the information an return it to providers. It’s then used to calculate payments for every aspect of care. Suppressed data would mean hospitals wouldn’t be paid. The Government doesn’t get anywhere near the data, which is publicly available, except as an end user.

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Re: Start Date of Next Lockdown?

Post by NickFaulks » Fri Jul 23, 2021 7:42 pm

David Gilbert wrote:
Fri Jul 23, 2021 7:36 pm
NickFaulks wrote:
Fri Jul 23, 2021 5:44 pm
[although the figures are of course suppressed ).
Nick I can’t let you get away with that lie. This might be what you’ve been used to in Bermuda, but not over here. Do you understand how HES works? HES collects detailed information on every patient journey through the hospital system. Hospitals submit data to NHS Digital who process the information an return it to providers. It’s then used to calculate payments for every aspect of care. Suppressed data would mean hospitals wouldn’t be paid. The Government doesn’t get anywhere near the data, which is publicly available, except as an end user.
That is excellent news, where can I find it?
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Re: Start Date of Next Lockdown?

Post by David Gilbert » Fri Jul 23, 2021 7:56 pm

You can try the Hospital Episode Statistics (HES) or NHS Digital websites.

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Re: Start Date of Next Lockdown?

Post by NickFaulks » Fri Jul 23, 2021 9:49 pm

David Gilbert wrote:
Fri Jul 23, 2021 7:56 pm
You can try the Hospital Episode Statistics (HES) or NHS Digital websites.
I could try all sorts of things, including FoI requests, but you know as well as I do that I wouldn't find the answer to my question, because it is suppressed. If it were not, you would have told me the answer yourself.
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Re: Start Date of Next Lockdown?

Post by John Upham » Fri Jul 23, 2021 10:38 pm

Hopefully this is a reliable source of bed information
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Re: Start Date of Next Lockdown?

Post by NickFaulks » Fri Jul 23, 2021 10:52 pm

John Upham wrote:
Fri Jul 23, 2021 10:38 pm
Hopefully this is a reliable source of bed information
Thanks, but this contains nothing even remotely connected to my question.
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Re: Start Date of Next Lockdown?

Post by John Upham » Fri Jul 23, 2021 10:58 pm

NickFaulks wrote:
Fri Jul 23, 2021 10:52 pm
John Upham wrote:
Fri Jul 23, 2021 10:38 pm
Hopefully this is a reliable source of bed information
Thanks, but this contains nothing even remotely connected to my question.
Indeed but bed occupancy was discussed earlier.

Who started this thread?

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Re: Start Date of Next Lockdown?

Post by NickFaulks » Fri Jul 23, 2021 11:14 pm

John Upham wrote:
Fri Jul 23, 2021 10:58 pm
Who started this thread?
You did, but you have indicated where we might unearth an answer to a question in which nobody but you has indicated any interest.

David Gilbert has chosen to take the opportunity of your thread to call me a liar, and I would be interested to see how he might back that up. I think he can't.
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Re: Start Date of Next Lockdown?

Post by Matthew Turner » Fri Jul 23, 2021 11:50 pm

NickFaulks wrote:
Fri Jul 23, 2021 9:49 pm
David Gilbert wrote:
Fri Jul 23, 2021 7:56 pm
You can try the Hospital Episode Statistics (HES) or NHS Digital websites.
I could try all sorts of things, including FoI requests, but you know as well as I do that I wouldn't find the answer to my question, because it is suppressed. If it were not, you would have told me the answer yourself.
I think this gives at least a partial answer to your question

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-val ... d-12359317

But I cannot imagine you are remotely interested

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Re: Start Date of Next Lockdown?

Post by David Gilbert » Sat Jul 24, 2021 5:08 am

NickFaulks wrote:
Fri Jul 23, 2021 9:49 pm
David Gilbert wrote:
Fri Jul 23, 2021 7:56 pm
You can try the Hospital Episode Statistics (HES) or NHS Digital websites.
I could try all sorts of things, including FoI requests, but you know as well as I do that I wouldn't find the answer to my question, because it is suppressed. If it were not, you would have told me the answer yourself.
Nick the 2019/20 Adult Critical Care data is here https://digital.nhs.uk/data-and-informa ... ty/2019-20. I imagine the 2020-21 report will be published in September 2021.

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