COVid19-What's wrong with UK?

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Re: COVid19-What's wrong with UK?

Post by David Williams » Fri Nov 06, 2020 10:58 am

I thought the whole idea was that we would get through this by not being together.

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Re: COVid19-What's wrong with UK?

Post by MJMcCready » Sat Nov 07, 2020 12:59 pm

That would be modern day Britain.

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Re: COVid19-What's wrong with UK?

Post by Jon Tait » Sun Dec 20, 2020 2:48 pm

Jon Tait wrote:
Tue Oct 13, 2020 8:19 am
Jon Tait wrote:
Wed May 06, 2020 8:54 am
because we have a bunch of complete bellends in government, "led" by the most useless fathead ever to occupy no.10
anyone still disagree with this assessment? :roll:
anyone still disagreeing? :roll: :roll: :roll:
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Re: COVid19-What's wrong with UK?

Post by NickFaulks » Sun Dec 20, 2020 3:34 pm

Jon Tait wrote:
Sun Dec 20, 2020 2:48 pm
anyone still disagreeing? :roll: :roll: :roll:
Within my circle of acquaintance, there are widely differing views regarding the competence of the Boris who went into hospital. There is greater consensus regarding the Boris which emerged.

Our PM has for some time reminded me of some well known fictional character. I have realised that it is Denethor, Steward of Gondor.
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Re: COVid19-What's wrong with UK?

Post by MartinCarpenter » Sun Dec 20, 2020 4:05 pm

Maybe the film version? Denethor in the books is quite impressive overall, before he gives into tragic despair - which certainly isn't a state of mind Boris appears especially prone to!

What is more surprising in a way is that they can't seem to find a way to govern 'round' Boris either.

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Re: COVid19-What's wrong with UK?

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Sun Dec 20, 2020 4:13 pm

Tbh I am very much in the "Johnson is the same person now as he always was" camp.
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Re: COVid19-What's wrong with UK?

Post by NickFaulks » Sun Dec 20, 2020 4:31 pm

MartinCarpenter wrote:
Sun Dec 20, 2020 4:05 pm
Maybe the film version? Denethor in the books is quite impressive overall, before he gives into tragic despair - which certainly isn't a state of mind Boris appears especially prone to!
I have been a Boris apologist ( and have had much to apologise for! ) so I do stand by the book version. I suspect he must have moments of lucidity in which he understands what he has done and drops into despair. But it would take a superhuman effort, for which he does not have the strength, even to start to put things right.
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Re: COVid19-What's wrong with UK?

Post by NickFaulks » Sun Dec 20, 2020 4:34 pm

Matt Mackenzie wrote:
Sun Dec 20, 2020 4:13 pm
Tbh I am very much in the "Johnson is the same person now as he always was" camp.
That is a defensible position, and I doubt that historians will reach agreement.
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Re: COVid19-What's wrong with UK?

Post by Roger Lancaster » Sun Dec 20, 2020 10:10 pm

I'm mildly consoled by the thought that it could have been Jeremy Corbyn trying to run things instead.

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Re: COVid19-What's wrong with UK?

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Sun Dec 20, 2020 10:25 pm

He would almost certainly have listened more to informed medical opinion earlier, rather than cranks mithering on about "herd immunity".
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Re: COVid19-What's wrong with UK?

Post by Roger de Coverly » Mon Dec 21, 2020 11:02 am

Matt Mackenzie wrote:
Sun Dec 20, 2020 10:25 pm
He would almost certainly have listened more to informed medical opinion earlier
But what if he had listened to his brother?

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Re: COVid19-What's wrong with UK?

Post by Kevin Thurlow » Mon Dec 21, 2020 11:41 am

I really doubt it would make any difference who was PM - it's a difficult situation and people will make mistakes. We never found out what Corbyn thought was a good idea. He just said in opposition "You're doing it wrong". He never actually said what should be done. It reminded me of some of my managers at work.

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Re: COVid19-What's wrong with UK?

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Mon Dec 21, 2020 3:03 pm

That does tend to be what opposition leaders do, historically speaking.
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Re: COVid19-What's wrong with UK?

Post by Mick Norris » Mon Dec 21, 2020 5:36 pm

Roger Lancaster wrote:
Sun Dec 20, 2020 10:10 pm
I'm mildly consoled by the thought that it could have been Jeremy Corbyn trying to run things instead.
Yes, I assume that must be what many people are saying, rather than taking personal responsibility for the consequences of voting in the current shower

Thousands of unnecessary deaths and major economic damage, in comparison to nearly everywhere else, all down to the incompetence of 1 man; yes, that man must be Corbyn, not Johnson
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Re: COVid19-What's wrong with UK?

Post by NickFaulks » Mon Dec 21, 2020 5:54 pm

Mick Norris wrote:
Mon Dec 21, 2020 5:36 pm
Thousands of unnecessary deaths and major economic damage, in comparison to nearly everywhere else, all down to the incompetence of 1 man; yes, that man must be Corbyn, not Johnson
All true, but I don't think Johnson has a clue about what is going on around him. When things are bad enough, and they are going to get much worse, there will be a coup - but from which direction?
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