Grammatical Quandary

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Is it correct to write

The Hampshire EJCOA Championships Qualifier is for all chess players who are aged 21 years or less as at August 31st 2023
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The Hampshire EJCOA Championships Qualifier is for all chess players who are aged 21 years or fewer as at August 31st 2023
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The Hampshire EJCOA Championships Qualifier is for all chess players who are aged 21 years or under as at August 31st 2023.
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This is utter bo**ocks and John should go back to the drawing board
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Both of the above are totally flawed and should be re-written
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Total votes: 5

Tim Spanton
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Re: Grammatical Quandry

Post by Tim Spanton » Fri Jan 13, 2023 2:58 pm

NickFaulks wrote:
Fri Jan 13, 2023 12:04 pm
Tim Spanton wrote:
Thu Jan 12, 2023 6:07 pm
Surely under 22 is clear enough?
No, it really isn't. Sometimes "under X" is intended to include X, sometimes not.
Oh come on - it's basic English. Under 22 is an efficient way of saying aged 21 years and under

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Re: Grammatical Quandry

Post by NickFaulks » Fri Jan 13, 2023 8:07 pm

Tim Spanton wrote:
Fri Jan 13, 2023 2:58 pm
Oh come on - it's basic English. Under 22 is an efficient way of saying aged 21 years and under
I'm not going to argue about what is basic English, but in the real world I think you are just wrong. Under 16 is routinely used to mean 16 or under.

At the other end, I have never heard anyone suggest that you cannot play in an over 50 event until you are 51. What I find controversial is that you can do it when you are 49!
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Re: Grammatical Quandry

Post by Brian Egdell » Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:31 pm

Pete Morriss wrote:
Thu Jan 12, 2023 5:18 pm
Possibly clearer, and simpler, is "open to all born on or after [insert preferred date]".
I endorse this. The potential for confusion with the use of age in years is already clear from the discussion above.

And if you're expecting any entrants from South Korea, there could be yet more confusion!
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Re: Grammatical Quandry

Post by Tim Spanton » Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:59 pm

NickFaulks wrote:
Fri Jan 13, 2023 8:07 pm
Tim Spanton wrote:
Fri Jan 13, 2023 2:58 pm
Oh come on - it's basic English. Under 22 is an efficient way of saying aged 21 years and under
I'm not going to argue about what is basic English, but in the real world I think you are just wrong. Under 16 is routinely used to mean 16 or under.
No it is not

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Re: Grammatical Quandary

Post by John Upham » Sat Jan 14, 2023 12:50 pm

I reworded the EventBrite form to use January 1st in line with FIDE and EJCOA and thank PMc for this suggestion. It is much clearer for parents and organisers than using August 31st or school year or some other nonsense.

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https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/hampshir ... 4065542877
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