New Year Honours List

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Re: New Year Honours List

Post by John Upham » Sat Dec 29, 2018 11:55 am

Andy Stoker wrote:
Sat Dec 29, 2018 11:44 am
There isn't
As expected. 2019 deserves to include Leonard William Barden more than anyone else. I wonder if anyone in the ECF would agree and act upon this ?
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Re: New Year Honours List

Post by Leonard Barden » Sat Dec 29, 2018 5:35 pm

John

If you look at my Wiki entry, you will see

In recognition of his efforts, Barden was offered an OBE, but declined it.

That was in the Milner-Barry era. My understanding is that once you have declined an honour, you are never offered it again. Even if this were not so, I should still decline again now, so you should look elsewhere.

Why not campaign for Malcolm? He's done plenty and is a high profile individual.

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Re: New Year Honours List

Post by soheil_hooshdaran » Sun Dec 30, 2018 9:55 am

Why is it GM Barden (I say GM as you won British championship before)?

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Re: New Year Honours List

Post by Mick Norris » Sun Dec 30, 2018 10:39 am

Leonard Barden wrote:
Sat Dec 29, 2018 5:35 pm
John

If you look at my Wiki entry, you will see

In recognition of his efforts, Barden was offered an OBE, but declined it.

That was in the Milner-Barry era. My understanding is that once you have declined an honour, you are never offered it again. Even if this were not so, I should still decline again now, so you should look elsewhere.
I think Albert Finney and David Bowie both refused twice
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Re: New Year Honours List

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Sun Dec 30, 2018 3:24 pm

soheil_hooshdaran wrote:
Sun Dec 30, 2018 9:55 am
Why is it GM Barden (I say GM as you won British championship before)?
Barden does not have an international playing title, though his peak strength would certainly have got an IM title these days.
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Re: New Year Honours List

Post by soheil_hooshdaran » Sun Dec 30, 2018 8:38 pm

Matt Mackenzie wrote:
Sun Dec 30, 2018 3:24 pm
soheil_hooshdaran wrote:
Sun Dec 30, 2018 9:55 am
Why is it GM Barden (I say GM as you won British championship before)?
Barden does not have an international playing title, though his peak strength would certainly have got an IM title these days.
Well, countries can have titles for theselves, the way the U.S has NM, or the soviets had their own GMs before the collapse of SSSR

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Re: New Year Honours List

Post by Roger de Coverly » Sun Dec 30, 2018 8:46 pm

soheil_hooshdaran wrote:
Sun Dec 30, 2018 8:38 pm

Well, countries can have titles for theselves, the way the U.S has NM, or the soviets had their own GMs before the collapse of SSSR
So did England. Barden was a "British Master" as far as I recall. The BCF abandoned awarding its own titles in the 1980s when we had players with FIDE titles.

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Re: New Year Honours List

Post by Leonard Barden » Sun Dec 30, 2018 10:10 pm

Roger de Coverly wrote:
Sun Dec 30, 2018 8:46 pm

Barden was a "British Master" as far as I recall.
It's a lifetime award.

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Re: New Year Honours List

Post by Michael Farthing » Mon Dec 31, 2018 8:59 am

..and becomes more valuable, surely, as it becomes rarer! As I recall it was always a difficult award to achieve, not significantly below IM. There was also, for a short while, a title of Candidate Master.

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Re: New Year Honours List

Post by Ian Thompson » Mon Dec 31, 2018 10:09 am

Michael Farthing wrote:
Mon Dec 31, 2018 8:59 am
As I recall it was always a difficult award to achieve, not significantly below IM. There was also, for a short while, a title of Candidate Master.
I think the Candidate Master title existed for as long as the British Master title did. I assume it must have been abolished by 1995 otherwise I'd have been told I got it (as a result of getting an FM title).

There ought to be a list somewhere, e.g. the ECF web site, of who got these titles. I think you'd find there are quite a few players who were at their best between the 1950s and the 1970s who were British Masters but never got an IM title.

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Re: New Year Honours List

Post by Andy Stoker » Mon Dec 31, 2018 3:48 pm

As I indicated at the top of page 3, it just needs an individual to run with this - someone who knows a deserving person reasonably well - andwho can draw on the the knowledge of others to fill the gaps. Make a good enough case and the door opens.

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Re: New Year Honours List

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Mon Dec 31, 2018 8:21 pm

Ian Thompson wrote:
Mon Dec 31, 2018 10:09 am
Michael Farthing wrote:
Mon Dec 31, 2018 8:59 am
As I recall it was always a difficult award to achieve, not significantly below IM. There was also, for a short while, a title of Candidate Master.
I think the Candidate Master title existed for as long as the British Master title did. I assume it must have been abolished by 1995 otherwise I'd have been told I got it (as a result of getting an FM title).

There ought to be a list somewhere, e.g. the ECF web site, of who got these titles. I think you'd find there are quite a few players who were at their best between the 1950s and the 1970s who were British Masters but never got an IM title.
There was an old thread about this topic back in 2010 here:

viewtopic.php?f=27&t=2169

That was over eight years ago! Though the last post in that thread was four years ago.

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Re: New Year Honours List

Post by J T Melsom » Mon Dec 31, 2018 8:29 pm

Its a broken system though is it not. No reason why chess shouldn't get a cut of the mouldy cake but lets not measure chess by this metric. Instead lets just be appreciative of those who serve, and maybe pause before criticising them behind their backs including on social media that they never read and only hear about second hand. If you have an issue with something in 2019 please raise it with the organiser first - I suspect for many volunteers that would be better than any state recognition, and its something everybody could do.

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Re: New Year Honours List

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:18 pm

Christopher Kreuzer wrote:
Sat Dec 31, 2016 12:04 pm
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8804220 ... -2017-list

"Among those appointed MNZM are [...] chess grandmaster Murray Chandler"

MNZM is Member of the New Zealand Order of Merit:

It is the lowest rank of the order, but still great to see it being awarded.
Not sure if it was pointed out here, but there is a picture of Murray Chandler being awarded this honour here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Murr ... titure.jpg

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Re: New Year Honours List

Post by Neil Graham » Thu Jun 27, 2019 9:06 pm

Silly Question - but did anyone connected with chess receive any award in the Queen's Birthday Honours List?

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