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Re: Lenin's Doom

Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 11:11 am
by David Robertson
Christopher Kreuzer wrote:Does that arise mostly from the history, or it is shaped more by modern social and economic forces?
Yes

Re: Lenin's Doom

Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 11:37 am
by John McKenna
I find myself totally in agreement with the spirit of David's reply to Chris' question.
Has something strange happened since Roger's 10kth post!
Am I becoming normal?

Re: Lenin's Doom

Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 12:31 pm
by Peter D Williams
Hello Friends

Russian President Vladimir Putin has ordered an urgent drill to test the combat readiness of the armed forces across western Russia.

"In accordance with an order from the president of the Russian Federation, forces of the Western Military District were put on alert at 1400 (10am UK time) today," Interfax quoted Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu as saying.

Goose omelet tonight :D

Re: Lenin's Doom

Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 12:47 pm
by David Robertson
Peter D Williams wrote:Goose omelet tonight :D
Is this something involving Carol?

Re: Lenin's Doom

Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 12:53 pm
by John McKenna
Peter, that news of yours is both unclear and unsettling...
Please state plainly if that is an omlette made with goose eggs or an omlette with a goose on top (one of Henry VIII's favourite fast snacks).

Re: that other matter -
Next thing you'll be saying is the Russians are about to goose step into Kiev.

Edit: David should report to the papers that goosing is rife at Chez Guillaume.

Re: Lenin's Doom

Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 2:28 pm
by Peter D Williams
John McKenna wrote:Peter, that news of yours is both unclear and unsettling...
Please state plainly if that is an omlette made with goose eggs or an omlette with a goose on top (one of Henry VIII's favourite fast snacks).

Re: that other matter -
Next thing you'll be saying is the Russians are about to goose step into Kiev.

Edit: David should report to the papers that goosing is rife at Chez Guillaume.
Reuters News is reporting that Russia will take action to secure the fleet in Ukraine.

It will be an omlette made with goose egg with cheese yummy :D

Re: Lenin's Doom

Posted: Fri Feb 28, 2014 11:33 am
by Paul McKeown
Russia now appears to be pulling the trick in the Crimea that it has already pulled in Georgia and elsewhere, that of arming civilian groups "defending their legitimate interests". In all likelihood this will be followed by a plebiscite demanding secession, followed by calls for fraternal support from the Rodina and a "reluctant" intervention. There is nothing militarily that could be done to stop it, of course.

Re: Lenin's Doom

Posted: Fri Feb 28, 2014 12:55 pm
by Phil Neatherway
According to Wkipedia, Crimea is 58% ethnically Russian. In which case, a plebiscite would seem to be a reasonable thing to do.

Re: Lenin's Doom

Posted: Fri Feb 28, 2014 2:35 pm
by David Robertson

Re: Lenin's Doom

Posted: Fri Feb 28, 2014 3:10 pm
by Brian Valentine
Is that "our" Simon Williams ?

Re: Lenin's Doom

Posted: Fri Feb 28, 2014 3:22 pm
by David Sedgwick
Brian Valentine wrote:Is that "our" Simon Williams ?
I rather doubt it, as he's currently playing in a tournament in Amsterdam.

http://batavia1920.nl/chess/

Re: Lenin's Doom

Posted: Fri Feb 28, 2014 6:23 pm
by Matt Mackenzie
As no friend of Putin or Russian imperialism more generally, I still think their claim to Crimea is quite a strong one.

This is one of those things that might just have been sorted two decades ago, had the USSR not collapsed with such astonishing rapidity.

Re: Lenin's Doom

Posted: Fri Feb 28, 2014 7:44 pm
by John McKenna

Re: Lenin's Doom

Posted: Fri Feb 28, 2014 9:06 pm
by David Robertson
John McKenna wrote:An interesting read -

http://www.cityam.com/article/139352643 ... ry-ukraine
Proof of the disbenefits of uncritical Googling

Re: Lenin's Doom

Posted: Fri Feb 28, 2014 11:10 pm
by John McKenna
That may well apply to how some discover such articles, David.
Not to me though - I regularly pick up a hard copy at the station.

I read it and the Telegraph in the same spirit as our intelligence analysts used to read the Soviet papers - Pravda, Izvestia, etc. (I have trouble with the Times, struggle with the Grauniad and am indifferent to the Indy.)

I google little as possible.

And, I rarely assume anything - unlike a great many people these days.

Please remember I only said it was an 'interesting read'- nothing more, or less.

Don't get me wrong. I do always welcome your pithy comments and longer purple patches on any and all topics.