The English Language
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Thanks room.
Is 'obsequies' saying 'bye' to the dead?
Is 'obsequies' saying 'bye' to the dead?
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That's what google say it means - although more the fairly ritual bits of that. New word for me again.
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So in
In our account we shall follow the sequence of the events themselves, dealing first with the period between the death (in the usual sense of the word) and the final obsequies, and then with the concluding ceremony.
What's the difference between "the final obsequies" and 'the concluding ceremony'.?
In our account we shall follow the sequence of the events themselves, dealing first with the period between the death (in the usual sense of the word) and the final obsequies, and then with the concluding ceremony.
What's the difference between "the final obsequies" and 'the concluding ceremony'.?
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What is the meaning of
his distinction does not by any means have an absolute value?
What is having an absolute value meant to mean?
his distinction does not by any means have an absolute value?
What is having an absolute value meant to mean?
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Obsequy (singular noun, but usually used in the plural - obsequies) is a rare word these days.MartinCarpenter wrote:That's what google say it means - although more the fairly ritual bits of that. New word for me again.
One example of a 'final' obsequy could be "lying in repose", and the "concluding ceremony" would be the actual burial of the deceased.
The related word - and now distinctly Dickensian adjective -'obsequious' is still in use, but not as often as it used to be.
The Victorians were big on obsequies and obsequiousness (think of the "ever so 'umble" character of the literary character Uriah Heep) but such things have died a bit of a death in more modern times.
soheil_hooshdaran wrote:What is the meaning of
his distinction does not by any means have an absolute value?
What is having an absolute value meant to mean?
It means 'absolute' as opposed to 'relative', in value. However, unless more context is provided 'relative' (in value) to what remains unclear.
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What's 'funerary contagion'?
In consequence of the funerary contagion they are changed, and set apart from the rest of humanity; therefore they can no longer live the way others do.
In consequence of the funerary contagion they are changed, and set apart from the rest of humanity; therefore they can no longer live the way others do.
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Contagion == basically illness, but clearly something rather vaguer in this sense.
Some sorts of habits, modes of thought or something picked up by going to too many funerals.
Some sorts of habits, modes of thought or something picked up by going to too many funerals.
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What does "coincide" mean in
a long time must elapse before they can be completely freed of the ban that weighs upon them, a period which coincides precisely with the length of the temporary sepulture.
a long time must elapse before they can be completely freed of the ban that weighs upon them, a period which coincides precisely with the length of the temporary sepulture.
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Coincides means occurs at the same time.
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Webster dictionary gives this:
http://webster-dictionary.net/definition/coincide
http://webster-dictionary.net/definition/coincide
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The clue to the dictionary entry being used in -
The duration of the temporary 'ban' lasts exactly as long as the period of 'sepulture' (temporary burial) so that they 'coincide' (end at precisely same time).
An expansion on Martin's concise explanation of "funery contagion", further above, follows -
In various 'primitive' tribes and some modern societies the idea that handling corpses is a source of not only physical pollution but of spiritual pollution, too, can be very strong.
The belief is that associating with those members of the tribe/society who deal directly with the funery preparations - and come into contact with corpses - leads to the spread of the pollution (contagion) from them to other members of the tribe/society.
That attitude usually leads to the group who deal with the dead being separated from, and usually shunned by, the rest.
It can be for a set temporary period (as in the last quote) in a tribal society. Or, for generations in a more 'advanced' society - where it can become part of a class structure that relegates those supposedly contaminated - by contact with dead humans and/or animals to the lowest 'untouchable' class - who are tolerated by the higher classes as long as they keep their distance.
Is - "a long time must elapse... a period which coincides...", which indicates that the appropriate dictionary entry being sought is 'contemporaneous' (at exactly the same time).a long time must elapse before they can be completely freed of the ban that weighs upon them, a period which coincides precisely with the length of the temporary sepulture
The duration of the temporary 'ban' lasts exactly as long as the period of 'sepulture' (temporary burial) so that they 'coincide' (end at precisely same time).
An expansion on Martin's concise explanation of "funery contagion", further above, follows -
In various 'primitive' tribes and some modern societies the idea that handling corpses is a source of not only physical pollution but of spiritual pollution, too, can be very strong.
The belief is that associating with those members of the tribe/society who deal directly with the funery preparations - and come into contact with corpses - leads to the spread of the pollution (contagion) from them to other members of the tribe/society.
That attitude usually leads to the group who deal with the dead being separated from, and usually shunned by, the rest.
It can be for a set temporary period (as in the last quote) in a tribal society. Or, for generations in a more 'advanced' society - where it can become part of a class structure that relegates those supposedly contaminated - by contact with dead humans and/or animals to the lowest 'untouchable' class - who are tolerated by the higher classes as long as they keep their distance.
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means painful for itself as well as those surrounding it?the transformation which it (the corpse) undergoes is painful and dangerous for itself as well as for those who surround it
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Yes. In that sentence, both "painful" and "dangerous" modify both "itself" and "those who surround it".
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What does 'in this' mean in:
To pass from the spontaneous desiccation, which leaves only the bones, to the special form of desication which transforms the corpse into a mummy, it is enough for the survivors to have developed a desire to consign to the final grave a body as little changed as possible. In this the Egyptian funeral ritual agrees essentially with the beliefs and practices of the Indonesians: for seventy days, the embalmer fights the corruption which tries to invade the corpse; it is only at the end of this period that the body, having become imperishable, is taken to the grave, that the soul departs for the fields of Ialu and that the mourning of the survivors comes to an end.
To pass from the spontaneous desiccation, which leaves only the bones, to the special form of desication which transforms the corpse into a mummy, it is enough for the survivors to have developed a desire to consign to the final grave a body as little changed as possible. In this the Egyptian funeral ritual agrees essentially with the beliefs and practices of the Indonesians: for seventy days, the embalmer fights the corruption which tries to invade the corpse; it is only at the end of this period that the body, having become imperishable, is taken to the grave, that the soul departs for the fields of Ialu and that the mourning of the survivors comes to an end.
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"In this... " means everything you quoted that is written before, "In this".