The 2001 Fischer internet hoax

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Re: The 2001 Fischer internet hoax

Post by AlanLlewellyn » Sun Sep 11, 2022 5:09 pm

yes in hindsight hxg2 bxg2 works but thats not under pressure

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Re: The 2001 Fischer internet hoax

Post by Stephen Westmoreland » Sun Sep 11, 2022 5:13 pm

Only with seconds left on the clock in panic mode. Black is trying it on here and some calculation should see it to a win.
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Re: The 2001 Fischer internet hoax

Post by Chris Goodall » Sun Sep 11, 2022 5:13 pm

AlanLlewellyn wrote:
Sun Sep 11, 2022 4:41 pm
this is a 1482 player playing brilliantly-under extreme pressure i crack.
But that's not true, is it Alan? As Roger points out, at the point where you "cracked" under "extreme pressure", you had an advantage of +4. I don't mean to disparage Jon Duffield, chess is hard after all, but 11...Bxg3, 13...Qe7+ and 15...h3 were all objectively rotten moves. 15...h3 isn't even threatening to win any material, it's just a cheap trap. If you pass your turn and allow him to take on g2, you can take back and f3 is covered.
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Re: The 2001 Fischer internet hoax

Post by AlanLlewellyn » Sun Sep 11, 2022 5:16 pm

ah yes because its check everything just holds together for white hxg2 Rxh8+ works for white then after Kd7 Bxg2

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Re: The 2001 Fischer internet hoax

Post by AlanLlewellyn » Sun Sep 11, 2022 5:17 pm

but if you see all that you are either using a computer for analysis or asking a grandmaster

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Re: The 2001 Fischer internet hoax

Post by AlanLlewellyn » Sun Sep 11, 2022 5:19 pm

to the human eye seeing a games complexity it looks dangerous the whole attack

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Re: The 2001 Fischer internet hoax

Post by Carl Hibbard » Sun Sep 11, 2022 5:19 pm

AlanLlewellyn wrote:
Sun Sep 11, 2022 5:17 pm
but if you see all that you are either using a computer for analysis or asking a grandmaster
I am afraid not Alan none is this is the least bit complicated.
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Re: The 2001 Fischer internet hoax

Post by AlanLlewellyn » Sun Sep 11, 2022 5:20 pm

i mean where does white castle for one, i am a stickler for trying to castle into a safe position.

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Re: The 2001 Fischer internet hoax

Post by Stephen Westmoreland » Sun Sep 11, 2022 5:21 pm

I suppose that is the difference in gradings.
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Re: The 2001 Fischer internet hoax

Post by AlanLlewellyn » Sun Sep 11, 2022 5:27 pm

Carl Hibbard wrote:
Sun Sep 11, 2022 5:19 pm
AlanLlewellyn wrote:
Sun Sep 11, 2022 5:17 pm
but if you see all that you are either using a computer for analysis or asking a grandmaster
I am afraid not Alan none is this is the least bit complicated.
i want a second opinion and a third and a fourth

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Re: The 2001 Fischer internet hoax

Post by AlanLlewellyn » Sun Sep 11, 2022 5:28 pm

AlanLlewellyn wrote:
Sun Sep 11, 2022 5:27 pm
Carl Hibbard wrote:
Sun Sep 11, 2022 5:19 pm
AlanLlewellyn wrote:
Sun Sep 11, 2022 5:17 pm
but if you see all that you are either using a computer for analysis or asking a grandmaster
I am afraid not Alan none is this is the least bit complicated.
i want a second opinion and a third and a fourth
i think you have failed the turin test

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Re: The 2001 Fischer internet hoax

Post by Chris Goodall » Sun Sep 11, 2022 5:33 pm

AlanLlewellyn wrote:
Sun Sep 11, 2022 5:17 pm
but if you see all that you are either using a computer for analysis or asking a grandmaster
If you see all what? Literally the only thing White has to see is that g2 is defended by the bishop on f1. You don't have to calculate anything. Rxh8+ is crushing but even if you don't see it, Bxg2 defends the h1-rook. Tell us what you think you need computer/grandmaster assistance for in this position.
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Re: The 2001 Fischer internet hoax

Post by Roger de Coverly » Sun Sep 11, 2022 5:46 pm

Chris Goodall wrote:
Sun Sep 11, 2022 5:33 pm
Rxh8+ is crushing but even if you don't see it, Bxg2 defends the h1-rook.
That was all I noticed at a first glance. 1482 isn't beginner standard. Some players take a lifetime and never get that high.

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Re: The 2001 Fischer internet hoax

Post by Ian Thompson » Sun Sep 11, 2022 5:47 pm

AlanLlewellyn wrote:
Sun Sep 11, 2022 5:27 pm
Carl Hibbard wrote:
Sun Sep 11, 2022 5:19 pm
AlanLlewellyn wrote:
Sun Sep 11, 2022 5:17 pm
but if you see all that you are either using a computer for analysis or asking a grandmaster
I am afraid not Alan none is this is the least bit complicated.
i want a second opinion and a third and a fourth
After 15... h3 Black's not even winning if White could pass and Black could have another move. It's easy to see that if Black's second move in a row was 16... hxg2, White has 17.Rxh8+ Kd7 18.Bxg2 and Black has no compensation for the lost material. The obvious move for White is 16.d4, forcing the knight to move, so the pawn on h3 can be captured leaving White 3 pawns up.

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Re: The 2001 Fischer internet hoax

Post by Stephen Westmoreland » Sun Sep 11, 2022 5:53 pm

On the plus side, Alan now has his 5th opinion. Will that settle it?
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