PGN books

A section to discuss matters not related to Chess in particular.
soheil_hooshdaran
Posts: 2494
Joined: Tue Nov 05, 2013 5:24 pm

PGN books

Post by soheil_hooshdaran » Sat Feb 13, 2016 4:07 am

Hello
Are PGN books legal?
Can someone play out the games in a chess book and then just copy the book comments to the PGN file?
What if someone downloads them from the internet?

User avatar
IM Jack Rudd
Posts: 3694
Joined: Tue Apr 17, 2007 1:13 am
Location: Bideford

Re: PGN books

Post by IM Jack Rudd » Sat Feb 13, 2016 11:31 am

This is probably not something that's going to be the same in every country, but in England, it's a breach of copyright.

User avatar
Michael Farthing
Posts: 1663
Joined: Fri Apr 04, 2014 1:28 pm
Location: Morecambe, Europe

Re: PGN books

Post by Michael Farthing » Sat Feb 13, 2016 1:26 pm

Only, of course, if the book in question is still subject to copyright: you could, for example, publish "My System" like this and I have long thought this idea is worthy of exploration as a new methos of presentation. It is no different, copyright wise, from the publicatiuon of any Ebook.

soheil_hooshdaran
Posts: 2494
Joined: Tue Nov 05, 2013 5:24 pm

Re: PGN books

Post by soheil_hooshdaran » Sat Feb 13, 2016 3:27 pm

can't it be considered taking notes from a book?

User avatar
Michael Farthing
Posts: 1663
Joined: Fri Apr 04, 2014 1:28 pm
Location: Morecambe, Europe

Re: PGN books

Post by Michael Farthing » Sat Feb 13, 2016 3:45 pm

no

soheil_hooshdaran
Posts: 2494
Joined: Tue Nov 05, 2013 5:24 pm

Re: PGN books

Post by soheil_hooshdaran » Sat Feb 13, 2016 5:03 pm

What about paraphrasing the comments?

User avatar
Michael Farthing
Posts: 1663
Joined: Fri Apr 04, 2014 1:28 pm
Location: Morecambe, Europe

Re: PGN books

Post by Michael Farthing » Sat Feb 13, 2016 6:09 pm

No also. It would be illegal. You might get away with it. You probably would not - if it got as far as Court.

MJMcCready
Posts: 1212
Joined: Mon Jun 24, 2013 2:30 pm

Re: PGN books

Post by MJMcCready » Sun Feb 14, 2016 1:41 am

I don't think that would ever happen. With some books priced at 20 pounds and upward without postage and packaging its understandable why some people seek the 'soft' copy. If book prices hadn't increased so much in the 90s and 00s I'm not sure if pdfs would be as sought after as they are now.

soheil_hooshdaran
Posts: 2494
Joined: Tue Nov 05, 2013 5:24 pm

Re: PGN books

Post by soheil_hooshdaran » Sun Feb 14, 2016 9:47 pm

MJMcCready wrote:I don't think that would ever happen. With some books priced at 20 pounds and upward without postage and packaging its understandable why some people seek the 'soft' copy. If book prices hadn't increased so much in the 90s and 00s I'm not sure if pdfs would be as sought after as they are now.
What'd not ever happen

Stewart Reuben
Posts: 3720
Joined: Tue Apr 03, 2007 11:04 pm
Location: writer

Re: PGN books

Post by Stewart Reuben » Mon Feb 15, 2016 10:59 am

Chess is very international. Copyright Laws differ from one country to another. Particularly the US has separate laws, which are somewhat different from the UK. If you use your commonsense and think, 'What would I want as an author?', then you won't go far wrong.

You can copy an extract, perhaps a paragraph of a book, and use that in your description. Or acknowledge the author of a quote you have chosen.

There is no copyright in chess games, but there is in the annotations. To copy these, without even acknowledgement, is plagiarism.

Eventually, books, music, films etc. go out of copyright. Surely the 1924 silent Russian film 'Chess Fever' is out of copyright?

In Britain naive teachers used to photo-copy sheets of music and distribute them to their pupils. Very few realised they were breaching copyright law.

soheil_hooshdaran
Posts: 2494
Joined: Tue Nov 05, 2013 5:24 pm

Re: PGN books

Post by soheil_hooshdaran » Sun May 22, 2016 9:42 am

Stewart Reuben wrote: There is no copyright in chess games, but there is in the annotations. To copy these, without even acknowledgement, is plagiarism.
People who copy/translate these in Iran
acknowledge it.

Stewart Reuben
Posts: 3720
Joined: Tue Apr 03, 2007 11:04 pm
Location: writer

Re: PGN books

Post by Stewart Reuben » Sun May 22, 2016 12:30 pm

If you copy annotations, even with acknowledgement, this will be plagiarism if done in bulk. If somebody reviews a book and provides one complete annotated game as an example, this is borderline. Anybody publishing Kasparov's annotations of game 16 of his 1986 match with Karpov would be in brach of copyright. It runs to six pages of his book.

It is entirely deliberate that copyright is waived for FIDE Regulations.

soheil_hooshdaran
Posts: 2494
Joined: Tue Nov 05, 2013 5:24 pm

Copyright

Post by soheil_hooshdaran » Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:46 am

Hello
If an e-book is in public domain, does it mean we can freely translate and publish it, as well as modifying it?

John McKenna
Posts: 3344
Joined: Tue May 17, 2011 2:02 pm

Re: Copyright

Post by John McKenna » Mon Jun 27, 2016 10:48 am

Your question has already been answered -

http://www.ecforum.org.uk/viewtopic.php ... ok#p173704

The same applies to e-books.
To find a for(u)m that accommodates the mess, that is the task of the artist now. (Samuel Beckett)

E Michael White
Posts: 1301
Joined: Fri Jun 01, 2007 6:31 pm

Re: PGN books

Post by E Michael White » Mon Jun 27, 2016 9:47 pm

Stewart Reuben wrote:In Britain naive teachers used to photo-copy sheets of music and distribute them to their pupils. Very few realised they were breaching copyright law.
Music copyright is a lot more complicated than you suggest.

Post Reply