EU referendum aftermath

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Re: EU referendum aftermath

Post by Mick Norris » Mon Jun 27, 2016 4:15 pm

Maybe we could have a vote on whether we want to live in a country like this
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Re: EU referendum aftermath

Post by MartinCarpenter » Mon Jun 27, 2016 4:34 pm

What fun. Does also show mind boggling levels of geographical ignorance!

The legal position seems as if it could get horribly messy - there's people saying than only parliament can actually legally trigger article 50, and that could be very difficult to manage.

Something else that I fear wasn't remotely well thought through :(

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Re: EU referendum aftermath

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Mon Jun 27, 2016 6:00 pm

The process won't be rushed, at least. Time to draw breath, hopefully:

EU leaders reject informal talks with UK

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Re: EU referendum aftermath

Post by NickFaulks » Mon Jun 27, 2016 6:32 pm

MartinCarpenter wrote: there's people saying than only parliament can actually legally trigger article 50
That is technically true, and has always been known, but I don't think that many MPs could vote to ignore the result of the referendum and expect to survive the General Election that would inevitably follow.
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Re: EU referendum aftermath

Post by MartinCarpenter » Mon Jun 27, 2016 7:11 pm

I'd actually always assumed the referendum act gave it some kind of binding power. That was definitely how everyone seemed to be acting.

Have to be very careful about a putative general election. It was such a thin majority and first past the post does very odd things to electoral calculations! Aren't many of the areas that went Brexit basically one party states for Westminster purposes?
(Which is of course part of why they're so poor/neglected.).

Mind you, some sort of long, drawn out, zombie state would be rather worse than leaving the EU.

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Re: EU referendum aftermath

Post by Michael Farthing » Mon Jun 27, 2016 7:15 pm

MartinCarpenter wrote:I'd actually always assumed the referendum act gave it some kind of binding power. That was definitely how everyone seemed to be acting.
A Parliament cannot bind its successors (nor, indeed, even itself). Even if an Act were passed making the referendum binding that Act could be repealed.

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Re: EU referendum aftermath

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Mon Jun 27, 2016 7:19 pm

How many days will we have continuous rolling live coverage of this? Not objecting to it, just wondering when the last time was that something dominated the news like this for days?

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Re: EU referendum aftermath

Post by MartinCarpenter » Mon Jun 27, 2016 7:38 pm

When it's sorted. So dig in. It's basically going to be politics for the next 5+ years. One of the more damaging side effects to be honest.

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Re: EU referendum aftermath

Post by Mike Truran » Mon Jun 27, 2016 7:46 pm

Mind you, some sort of long, drawn out, zombie state would be rather worse than leaving the EU.
Well, Belgium seems to have managed OK for as long as anyone can remember. :roll:

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Re: EU referendum aftermath

Post by NickFaulks » Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:33 pm

Mike Truran wrote:
Mind you, some sort of long, drawn out, zombie state would be rather worse than leaving the EU.
Well, Belgium seems to have managed OK for as long as anyone can remember. :roll:
They've actually got one now, but there's no evidence that they're the better for it.
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Re: EU referendum aftermath

Post by MartinCarpenter » Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:49 pm

Coping without a government is one thing. Coping with continuous uncertainty if we're in/out and the precise terms etc, would I think be rather worse.

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Re: EU referendum aftermath

Post by NickFaulks » Mon Jun 27, 2016 9:00 pm

I think you're worrying too much. Politicians play their games and for the rest of us, life goes on. Whatever Cameron may have said, we're not all going to get conscripted into WW3.
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Re: EU referendum aftermath

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Tue Jun 28, 2016 4:38 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36647458

The motion of no confidence in Jeremy Corbyn passed 176-44.
Surely his position is untenable now.

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Re: EU referendum aftermath

Post by Mick Norris » Tue Jun 28, 2016 4:43 pm

Christopher Kreuzer wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36647458

The motion of no confidence in Jeremy Corbyn passed 176-44.
Surely his position is untenable now.
Not at all, we have to respect the result of the EU Referendum (52-48), but we have to ignore the views of the elected MP for my constituency, and all his colleagues in the 176 :roll:

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Re: EU referendum aftermath

Post by NickFaulks » Tue Jun 28, 2016 5:47 pm

Mick Norris wrote: Jeremy doesn't listen to people he disagrees with
I don't doubt that, but if party members keep voting him back and don't want anyone else, what is he supposed to do?
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