ECF Grading Proposals

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Kevin Thurlow
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Re: ECF Grading Proposals

Post by Kevin Thurlow » Fri Apr 12, 2019 1:23 pm

"Every FIDE-rated event in England with FIDE-rated lower sections and their entrants seem to cope with this major crisis befalling them."

FIDE-rated events are a very small minority of English tournament chess.

I doubt anyone would expect sympathy - but I do have sympathy for the hard working people who run tournaments or anything else, and don't think they should be forced out of organization, by changes for the sake of it. New ideas are great, but people need to think practically.

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Re: ECF Grading Proposals

Post by Roger de Coverly » Fri Apr 12, 2019 1:41 pm

Kevin Thurlow wrote:
Fri Apr 12, 2019 1:23 pm
FIDE-rated events are a very small minority of English tournament chess.
I don't think they are that small a minority.

Over the twelve months and a bit since last Easter, my personal count is 11 FIDE rated and 9 ECF only.

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Re: ECF Grading Proposals

Post by IM Jack Rudd » Fri Apr 12, 2019 4:00 pm

FIDE-rated Opens are common. FIDE-rated sections with an upper rating limit, which is where the problems lie, are less common.

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Re: ECF Grading Proposals

Post by Adam Raoof » Fri Apr 12, 2019 4:07 pm

IM Jack Rudd wrote:
Fri Apr 12, 2019 4:00 pm
FIDE-rated Opens are common. FIDE-rated sections with an upper rating limit, which is where the problems lie, are less common.
They are quite common in Hampstead ;-) Actually in practice people know what their rating is likely to be on the next list, and are able to act accordingly - even when planning a visit from overseas. The actual outcome of a player entering an Under 2200 upper section and then achieving a rating of 2200 or over is not as bad as it used to be - they can still theoretically take part but none of their games would be rated.

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Re: ECF Grading Proposals

Post by Alex Holowczak » Fri Apr 12, 2019 4:36 pm

Roger de Coverly wrote:
Fri Apr 12, 2019 1:41 pm
Kevin Thurlow wrote:
Fri Apr 12, 2019 1:23 pm
FIDE-rated events are a very small minority of English tournament chess.
I don't think they are that small a minority.

Over the twelve months and a bit since last Easter, my personal count is 11 FIDE rated and 9 ECF only.
IM Jack Rudd wrote:
Fri Apr 12, 2019 4:00 pm
FIDE-rated Opens are common. FIDE-rated sections with an upper rating limit, which is where the problems lie, are less common.
There is a geographic bias to this.

In the South (particularly London), it's increasingly common that more and more sections are FIDE-rated. I think the forthcoming Stevenage tournament could have FIDE-rated the Under 120 section if it wanted to - look at how many players in the next section up are eligible to play in the Under 120: http://www.4ncl.co.uk/fide/entrants_easter19.htm Sean started that trend with the e2e4 events, and Adam in particular now FIDE-rates just about everything he does.

In Birmingham and Warwickshire, the majority of tournaments are FIDE-rated; all of the Rapidplays are rated in all four sections, and the top two sections of the Warwickshire Congress are.

In the North, it's much more difficult to find FIDE-rated tournaments outside the 4NCL Congresses, where the top 2 sections are rated. There are some FIDE-rated Opens but not much else. It gets a bit better once you reach Newcastle.

There are quite a few Rapidplays where all the sections could be FIDE-rated at no extra cost ... but very few of them are, particularly north of Birmingham. I'm still not sure if the reason for this is ignorance or a conscious decision not to bother. I tried emailing a few to see if it was ignorance. Alas this was inconclusive, there was some ignorance - specifically a lack of replies to my emails.

All of that said, Kevin is from the South, and not all that far from London - so it's not clear to me how he hasn't noticed the trend forming around him.

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Re: ECF Grading Proposals

Post by Alex Holowczak » Fri Apr 12, 2019 4:39 pm

Adam Raoof wrote:
Fri Apr 12, 2019 4:07 pm
Actually in practice people know what their rating is likely to be on the next list, and are able to act accordingly - even when planning a visit from overseas.
We occasionally get entries who send a very polite email saying "My rating is xxxx, I've entered <section>, but I realise I have to play in <section+1> if I go over the limit. Or something of that nature.

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Re: ECF Grading Proposals

Post by Kevin Thurlow » Fri Apr 12, 2019 8:19 pm

"All of that said, Kevin is from the South, and not all that far from London - so it's not clear to me how he hasn't noticed the trend forming around him."

I tend not to play English tournaments, maybe one a year, although I look at the results. The usual tournaments where I am arbiter are not FIDE-rated, although I have suggested to one of them it might be an idea. (The other would have to change its schedule.)

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