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In order to make monthly grading work, Congress, League and club organisers are going to have to extract digit and report results on a more timely basis. It's many of the people you are volunteering extra work onto, that don't see the point.Alison Bexfield wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 6:30 pmFor those that do not see the point of monthly grades I cannot see why the proposal bothers you.
As a point of fact, that is untrue. If you do not check your monthly grade, you will find that your entry to events may be rejected. Last season I set aside a day to play in a rapid event limited to 170 and under, but it emerged that I could not take part because I had somehow obtained a rapid grade of 171. This was entirely carelessness on my part and I have no complaint against anyone, but it was still an annoyance. You really will have to keep on top of what your monthly grade is.Alison Bexfield wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 6:30 pmFor those that do not see the point of monthly grades I cannot see why the proposal bothers you. You don't have to look each month.
Yes, of course people do. There's huge excitement whenever a grading list is published, both for club players and children. It wasn't uncommon in the olden days - OK, 5 years ago! - for the ECF grading website to crash on the day that new grades were published, such was the web traffic. People are interested in seeing their grade change. Younger players in particular are keen to see their improvement reflected quickly. As a junior team organiser, I'm also keen to pick teams and board orders using up-to-date information, and I'd rather not have to do all the gruntwork myself when it already exists and could be published if there was a will to do so.NickFaulks wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:19 pmYou can keep a personal tab on how your grade is progressing, so why is that not equally good? Do you really need the gratification of seeing the number by your name on a website?
It's a natural consequence of monthly grading that you aren't expected to wait a month for the result. Thus a grading list published for April should be available on the 1st April and should have all results up to and including the previous week. So that makes a cut off of say the Friday 29th March, including all league results up to and including Thursday 28th. That's more or less how the FIDE list operates.Alison Bexfield wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:03 amI don't think anyone would be advocating submission every week.
The cutoff for FIDE is the 26th of the month (with a little leeway) - any event that finishes after that goes into the next month's list.Roger de Coverly wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:17 amIt's a natural consequence of monthly grading that you aren't expected to wait a month for the result. Thus a grading list published for April should be available on the 1st April and should have all results up to and including the previous week. So that makes a cut off of say the Friday 29th March, including all league results up to and including Thursday 28th. That's more or less how the FIDE list operates.Alison Bexfield wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:03 amI don't think anyone would be advocating submission every week.
I don't think the ECF's plans for this have been published. You might, for example, have deadlines of:Roger de Coverly wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:17 amIt's a natural consequence of monthly grading that you aren't expected to wait a month for the result. Thus a grading list published for April should be available on the 1st April and should have all results up to and including the previous week. So that makes a cut off of say the Friday 29th March, including all league results up to and including Thursday 28th. That's more or less how the FIDE list operates.Alison Bexfield wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:03 amI don't think anyone would be advocating submission every week.
I think it would be inadvisable for the ECF to say to leagues that they can do whatever they like. A monthly grading list is only going to work if it includes the results of all games played in each reporting period. So the ECF needs to lay down some rules which leagues have to follow. Those rules need to be agreed by leagues if monthly is to be successful. I'm not aware of any discussion yet between leagues and the ECF on what leagues are able and willing to do.Alison Bexfield wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:03 amI would suggest it is entirely at the discretion of the league administrator as to whether a season of games are submitted in batches every so often or not.
The rules which would create minimum disturbance to current reporting patterns would be to require Congresses to follow FIDE timetable deadlines and for leagues and clubs to continue to report six-monthly. That's with the caveat that they had to report, say, by December 21st and June 20th. The ECF grading team themselves would have to streamline the process to shorten the time period between last result submitted and publication.Ian Thompson wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:36 amSo the ECF needs to lay down some rules which leagues have to follow.
You don't see the correspondence I deal with on the current approach! The junior algorithm is particularly difficult.Neil Graham wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:07 am.......There is no ground swell opinion for either changing to monthly updates or a system that is incomprehensible to the majority of players.
And when is it appearing, please? If ever.......
You really can’t have 6 monthly submissions under an ELO system IMO. Just makes the thing farcical. Different if the current methodology is maintained since late results do little to corrupt the list, and don’t really undermine the need for fixed annual points for year long competitions. There’s also the issue of what grades are used when submitting results late or en masse - those at competition start, or those at time games were played.Roger de Coverly wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:43 amThe rules which would create minimum disturbance to current reporting patterns would be to require Congresses to follow FIDE timetable deadlines and for leagues and clubs to continue to report six-monthly. That's with the caveat that they had to report, say, by December 21st and June 20th. The ECF grading team themselves would have to streamline the process to shorten the time period between last result submitted and publication.Ian Thompson wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:36 amSo the ECF needs to lay down some rules which leagues have to follow.
If there were no leagues submitting monthly, that's rather less of a problem, since it would only be Congress and 4NCL players whose ECF grades/ratings changed.Richard Bates wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:49 pmThere’s also the issue of what grades are used when submitting results late or en masse - those at competition start, or those at time games were played.