Eric Schiller 1955-2018

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Re: Eric Schiller 1955-2018

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Wed Nov 07, 2018 1:08 pm

I would put that last named example down to sloppiness and not caring about the facts rather than an actual, deliberate untruth (those are more the preserve of his old mate Raymondo) Though that isn't really much better at the end of the day I suppose.

I bought the Schiller/Benjamin book in question (and still have it somewhere) IIRC it has a few decent summaries and bits of analysis but also some highly questionable judgements, not to mention a number of surprising outright omissions.
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Re: Eric Schiller 1955-2018

Post by Tim Harding » Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:57 pm

Matt Mackenzie wrote:
Wed Nov 07, 2018 1:08 pm
I would put that last named example down to sloppiness and not caring about the facts rather than an actual, deliberate untruth (those are more the preserve of his old mate Raymondo) Though that isn't really much better at the end of the day I suppose.

I bought the Schiller/Benjamin book in question (and still have it somewhere) IIRC it has a few decent summaries and bits of analysis but also some highly questionable judgements, not to mention a number of surprising outright omissions.
Well, I have to totally disagree with your first statement.

To say that a book you have not read (and which in fact does not exist) is the best in a category is intellectual dishonesty to say the least as it strongly implies you have seen and compared them.
Moreover, as you can see from Winter's article linked above, Schiller (when challenged on this by Myers) persisted for some time in claiming there was such a book by Westerinen and that he had a copy.
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Re: Eric Schiller 1955-2018

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:01 pm

Point taken, I might have a read (or more accurately, re-read) of Winter's article.
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Re: Eric Schiller 1955-2018

Post by JustinHorton » Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:07 pm

Andrew Martin wrote:
Tue Nov 06, 2018 7:42 am

Some well-considered words here:

http://www.spraggettonchess.com/eric-schiller-rip/
Officially, sources indicate that he wrote about 100 chess books, but this is not true. He wrote several hundreds
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Re: Eric Schiller 1955-2018

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:08 pm

I suppose it might depend on how you define "wrote"?
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Re: Eric Schiller 1955-2018

Post by Martin Crichton » Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:04 am

the poor man only had one limb left when he died....there are some hard cases posting here! I must remember never to upset or cross some people lol
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Re: Eric Schiller 1955-2018

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:27 pm

As my initial comment in this thread made clear, I'm far from thinking he was all bad.

But I have also always thought that the tendency to whitewash someone's failings when they die is not a healthy one.
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Re: Eric Schiller 1955-2018

Post by John Upham » Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:51 pm

Was there ever a book "written" by Eric, Raymondo and Sam Sloan ? What would be the subject matter ?

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Re: Eric Schiller 1955-2018

Post by James Plaskett » Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:48 pm

I´ll say it.

"A sick man is not to be pitied if he has a cure up his sleeve."
Michel de Montaigne

Schiller had the milder of diabetes two forms. I have taken injections for over forty years.
O´Brien died in his sixties and had eye problems. Miles died of a heart attack at forty-six. Each was diabetic. Neither they nor Schiller took proper care of their condition.
So, Señor Crichton; go for regular check ups, test the level of sugar in your blood several times daily and you shall minimise diabetic problems.
Eric´s loss of three of his limbs was appalling.
But,
"A sick man is not to be pitied if he has a cure up his sleeve."
Michel de Montaigne

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