FIDE Open London Chess Classic

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Re: FIDE Open London Chess Classic

Post by IM Jack Rudd » Sun Dec 01, 2019 11:56 pm

2300+ TPRs after four games (and therefore British Championship qualifying places):

Aaravamudhan Balaji, Martin Walker, Shreyas Royal

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Re: FIDE Open London Chess Classic

Post by Richard Bates » Mon Dec 02, 2019 12:12 am

I haven’t been paying attention - is this really the new qualifying criteria? One 4 game streak performing at 2400? In a tournament like this all you need is slightly shock result. In fact not even that if you beat a number of weakfish players. Have the ECF effectively now disowned the aims of the reforms of last year? At least if you are going to have something like this as a route to qualification one feels that it should require a series of such performances (say, 3 or 4).

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Re: FIDE Open London Chess Classic

Post by Roger de Coverly » Mon Dec 02, 2019 1:22 am

Richard Bates wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 12:12 am
is this really the new qualifying criteria?
https://www.britishchesschampionships.c ... ions-2020/
(b) Other FIDE Rated Open Congresses (completed 1st July 2019 – 30th June 2020) with a field of 25 players or over
Any player who achieves a TPR of 2300 or higher achieved over a minimum of 4 games.
That's hard work in a weekend tournament, perhaps as you note, "easier" in a big 9 round Swiss.

It assumes that the term "Other" isn't intended to exclude
"Section E: Qualification from FIDE title norm tournaments"

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Re: FIDE Open London Chess Classic

Post by Richard Bates » Mon Dec 02, 2019 8:24 am

Roger de Coverly wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 1:22 am
Richard Bates wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 12:12 am
is this really the new qualifying criteria?
https://www.britishchesschampionships.c ... ions-2020/
(b) Other FIDE Rated Open Congresses (completed 1st July 2019 – 30th June 2020) with a field of 25 players or over
Any player who achieves a TPR of 2300 or higher achieved over a minimum of 4 games.
That's hard work in a weekend tournament, perhaps as you note, "easier" in a big 9 round Swiss.

It assumes that the term "Other" isn't intended to exclude
"Section E: Qualification from FIDE title norm tournaments"
It might be pointed out that the criteria as written is open to interpretation, and Jack (?) has interpreted it in a possibly unintended way. Because TPR of “x” achieved over minimum of four games is, I would suggest, not a arguably a “TPR” unless the tournament has actually concluded. One could even take it further and interpret it as “ a run of four consecutive games within a tournament”, not necessarily from the beginning.

Anyway, wrong thread.

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Re: FIDE Open London Chess Classic

Post by Ian Thompson » Mon Dec 02, 2019 12:27 pm

Richard Bates wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 8:24 am
It might be pointed out that the criteria as written is open to interpretation, and Jack (?) has interpreted it in a possibly unintended way. Because TPR of “x” achieved over minimum of four games is, I would suggest, not a arguably a “TPR” unless the tournament has actually concluded. One could even take it further and interpret it as “ a run of four consecutive games within a tournament”, not necessarily from the beginning.
Roger didn't quote the whole regulation.

It explicitly says that "Games played after the qualifying standard is achieved may be discarded" so there's definitely no need to calculate the TPR at the end of the tournament.

You're right that there's nothing explicitly saying that the calculation has to start from the first game in the tournament.

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Re: FIDE Open London Chess Classic

Post by Richard Bates » Mon Dec 02, 2019 12:43 pm

Thanks, apologies to Jack! Still seems strange to me that such an “easy” qualification route has been reintroduced!

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Re: FIDE Open London Chess Classic

Post by NickFaulks » Mon Dec 02, 2019 12:45 pm

There is also the ancient and vexed question of how TPR should be calculated. What do you do with 4/4, for instance?

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Re: FIDE Open London Chess Classic

Post by Kevin Thurlow » Mon Dec 02, 2019 12:46 pm

"Thanks, apologies to Jack! Still seems strange to me that such an “easy” qualification route has been reintroduced!"

Yes - It might bring the "Swiss Gambit" back to life.

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Re: FIDE Open London Chess Classic

Post by Kevin Thurlow » Mon Dec 02, 2019 12:59 pm

I'm hoping that the computer will produce some suitably fishy pairings for Pollack, Haddock and Finn.

Jekel and Burke are playing and we haven't seen Hyde nor Hare of suitable opponents for them.

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Re: FIDE Open London Chess Classic

Post by Nick Grey » Mon Dec 02, 2019 1:30 pm

Having lost to Martin in round one and more than 400 rating points difference how does that count?

Not that a qualification place is not deserved. He is an excellent player. And enjoyed his draw yesterday.

if I win my next 2 games do I qualify?

The fishy pairings ought to be on live boards.

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Re: FIDE Open London Chess Classic

Post by Alex Holowczak » Mon Dec 02, 2019 2:30 pm

Kevin Thurlow wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 12:59 pm
I'm hoping that the computer will produce some suitably fishy pairings for Pollack, Haddock and Finn.

Jekel and Burke are playing and we haven't seen Hyde nor Hare of suitable opponents for them.
I know it's puerile, but we did have board 23 in Round 2 of the FIDE Open.

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Re: FIDE Open London Chess Classic

Post by IM Jack Rudd » Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:21 pm

Kevin Thurlow wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 12:46 pm
"Thanks, apologies to Jack! Still seems strange to me that such an “easy” qualification route has been reintroduced!"

Yes - It might bring the "Swiss Gambit" back to life.
Unlikely. Dropping early points tends to make achieving high TPRs very difficult.

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Re: FIDE Open London Chess Classic

Post by Kevin Thurlow » Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:45 pm

"I know it's puerile, but we did have board 23 in Round 2 of the FIDE Open."

Ah yes, also I forgot to mention Pasztor and Kirk.

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Re: FIDE Open London Chess Classic

Post by Kevin Thurlow » Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:49 pm

And our own Richard Bates draws with Maze, which I assume was pleasing. (I haven't looked at the game)

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Re: FIDE Open London Chess Classic

Post by Chris Rice » Wed Dec 04, 2019 6:57 am

Kevin Thurlow wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:49 pm
And our own Richard Bates draws with Maze, which I assume was pleasing. (I haven't looked at the game)
There was a comment from Richard on FB yesterday "Bottled it" which I assume was a reference to this game and that he was much better at around move 28 or 29 according to Stockfish though there doesn't seem to have been anything immediately decisive. Even so its a great result.

Bates, Richard A - Maze, Sebastien ½-½
London Chess Classic FIDE Open 2019 round 06

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