Cambridge Open 2025

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Re: Cambridge Open 2025

Post by Jon D'Souza-Eva » Tue May 27, 2025 11:13 am

The round 3 pairings look really odd. There are so many cases of someone with 2 points playing someone with 1, and even more of someone with 1½ playing someone with ½. I know it's to do with accelerated pairings and the "virtual point" that is added to the players in the top half, but it looks strange in a 9 round tournament with fewer than 60 participants. What are the benefits of using accelerated pairings in a tournament of this size?
https://chess-results.com/tnr1099723.as ... ES&flag=30

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Re: Cambridge Open 2025

Post by Ian Thompson » Tue May 27, 2025 11:28 am

Jon D'Souza-Eva wrote:
Tue May 27, 2025 11:13 am
What are the benefits of using accelerated pairings in a tournament of this size?
None.

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Re: Cambridge Open 2025

Post by IM Jack Rudd » Tue May 27, 2025 11:49 am

Jon D'Souza-Eva wrote:
Tue May 27, 2025 11:13 am
a 9 round tournament with fewer than 60 participants.
It has 109 participants.

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Re: Cambridge Open 2025

Post by Jon D'Souza-Eva » Tue May 27, 2025 12:00 pm

IM Jack Rudd wrote:
Tue May 27, 2025 11:49 am
Jon D'Souza-Eva wrote:
Tue May 27, 2025 11:13 am
a 9 round tournament with fewer than 60 participants.
It has 109 participants.
Oops, I counted the number of boards!

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Re: Cambridge Open 2025

Post by Kevin Thurlow » Tue May 27, 2025 12:55 pm

The acceleration always throws up weird pairings. Why did Tiviakov on 0.5 play Peter Sowray on 1 in Rd 2? Surely Peter is the wrong one to float (if it is a float). Then further down, you get two people on 0.5 apparently down floating...

All acceleration does is transfer potential Rd 2 mis-matches to later in the tournament, and it should rule out sum of progressive scores as a tie-break.

In the old days, didn't acceleration "work" (if that's the word) as:-
Rd 1 - top quarter plays 2nd quarter, 3rd quarter plays 4th
Rd 2 - top half winners play each other, top half non-winners play bottom half winners, bottom half non-winners paired as normal.
Rd 3 or maybe later, pair it normally.

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Re: Cambridge Open 2025

Post by Jonathan Rogers » Tue May 27, 2025 1:03 pm

Peter played Tiviakov at Cambridge last year too, maybe also in round 2 (!).

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Re: Cambridge Open 2025

Post by IM Jack Rudd » Tue May 27, 2025 1:43 pm

Kevin Thurlow wrote:
Tue May 27, 2025 12:55 pm
The acceleration always throws up weird pairings. Why did Tiviakov on 0.5 play Peter Sowray on 1 in Rd 2? Surely Peter is the wrong one to float (if it is a float).
No, he's the right floater - lowest-rated white-seeker in the "2/1 scoregroup".

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Re: Cambridge Open 2025

Post by LawrenceCooper » Tue May 27, 2025 1:59 pm

Jon D'Souza-Eva wrote:
Tue May 27, 2025 11:13 am
What are the benefits of using accelerated pairings in a tournament of this size?
It is meant to be helpful for norms.

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Re: Cambridge Open 2025

Post by Roger de Coverly » Tue May 27, 2025 2:02 pm

Kevin Thurlow wrote:
Tue May 27, 2025 12:55 pm
The acceleration always throws up weird pairings.
I believe they are using what's called the Baku system. This overlays the usual rules applied by the Swiss-Manager program with bonus points awarded to the top two quartiles. The published pairings don't show the dummy scores so it's not so possible to see whether a float is genuine or just a result of the bones points. Sowray was bottom of the first quartile so presumably has a whole extra dummy point.

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Re: Cambridge Open 2025

Post by LawrenceCooper » Tue May 27, 2025 2:09 pm

Roger de Coverly wrote:
Tue May 27, 2025 2:02 pm
Your game got a mention in LiChess chat (I tidied up their notation):
squirrel36 "insane line board 17 26... Nxd5 27 exd5 Nxf3 28 Bxf3 Qc2!!"

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Re: Cambridge Open 2025

Post by Roger de Coverly » Tue May 27, 2025 2:15 pm

LawrenceCooper wrote:
Tue May 27, 2025 2:09 pm
Your game got a mention in LiChess chat (I tidied up their notation):
squirrel36 "insane line board 26... Nxd5 27 exd5 Nxf3 28 Bxf3 Qc2!!"
I failed entirely to notice the Nxd5 idea. It can also work combined with .. Bf5 in some positions. There's also a mad idea generated by engines of playing .. Bh6 a few moves later, leaving it en prise to the Queen.

The whole game.



position at move 26
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Re: Cambridge Open 2025

Post by LawrenceCooper » Tue May 27, 2025 2:21 pm

Roger de Coverly wrote:
Tue May 27, 2025 2:15 pm
LawrenceCooper wrote:
Tue May 27, 2025 2:09 pm
Your game got a mention in LiChess chat (I tidied up their notation):
squirrel36 "insane line board 26... Nxd5 27 exd5 Nxf3 28 Bxf3 Qc2!!"
I entirely failed to notice the Nxd5 idea. It can also work combined with .. Bf5 in some positions. There's also a mad idea generated by engines of playing .. Bh6 a few moves later, leaving it en prise to the Queen.
Understandable, some of the lines are mind blowing and I wouldn't know where to start trying to decide which lines to spend my time on.

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Re: Cambridge Open 2025

Post by Mick Norris » Wed May 28, 2025 9:32 am

Roger de Coverly wrote:
Tue May 27, 2025 2:02 pm
Kevin Thurlow wrote:
Tue May 27, 2025 12:55 pm
The acceleration always throws up weird pairings.
I believe they are using what's called the Baku system. This overlays the usual rules applied by the Swiss-Manager program with bonus points awarded to the top two quartiles. The published pairings don't show the dummy scores so it's not so possible to see whether a float is genuine or just a result of the bones points. Sowray was bottom of the first quartile so presumably has a whole extra dummy point.
Baku system says that acceleration includes round 5, seems a lot
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Re: Cambridge Open 2025

Post by IM Jack Rudd » Wed May 28, 2025 9:34 am

Yes, three rounds of one-point acceleration and two of half-point.

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Re: Cambridge Open 2025

Post by Mick Norris » Fri May 30, 2025 11:15 am

round 7 pairings

Bosonic - Adams both leading with 5

Camacho Collados - Camacho Collados on board 3 drawn in 10 moves

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